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Where is the opposition and media?

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lockedown · 15/04/2020 21:47

I live in London, moved here two years back from outside UK. I really want to understand why is there no criticism of the government here? Why aren't hard questions being asked from the government? I don't understand why the opposition is not speaking out.
I think the entire coronavirus situation has not been handled well by the government at all. First with the herd immunity stance which they went back on but not soon enough, then the schools being shut down so late, low testing, lax lockdown. NHS is trying to do it's best but it not being equipped properly. With the lack of protective gear people in nhs are dying. Lockdown isn't being imposed strictly. In a densely populated city like London, people are out everywhere!
But where is the opposition? Why isn't the media asking tough questions? Why hasn't the government apologised for the mistakes that it has made. I don't understand the system. Can someone please explain? The press conferences are just mostly one way - ask the tough questions someone! Is it how it is culturally? I will really like to know. Thanks.

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Polly02 · 16/04/2020 19:07

The opposition has no voice at the moment due to parliament being suspended.

They are trying to restart things now for the reasons you are giving. But government is being somewhat resistant.

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thatgingergirl · 16/04/2020 19:24
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Bool · 16/04/2020 19:34

Yes seems as if Germany were able to scale up testing because they have the local companies able to do it that we lack. But I cannot help falling into cultural stereotypes here and thinking that Germans are generally just very well organised and structured so really doesn’t surprise me at all they were all over it.

For me the big failings are PPE and testing. Everything else I am not sure what they could have done better.

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letmeinthroughyourwindow · 16/04/2020 20:15

The WHO warned of a worldwide shortage of PPE on 3rd March here

They were alarmed because the supply chain 'could take months.'

Indeed, a conglomerate of - I think - 20 EU countries ordered PPE mid-March, but the order failed.

With hindsight, they should have been ordering and stockpiling in February but I doubt they're intentionally twiddling their thumbs about it now.

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HeddaGarbled · 16/04/2020 23:42

The Conservative Party have been gunning for the BBC before they were in government, and now that they are, the BBC are on the brink of having public funding removed. So they are treading very carefully.

The BBC are not the only media outlet in the U.K.

You need to read newspapers to get a better flavour of the tone of coverage. Newspapers were campaigning for lockdown before it happened, were critical of the herd immunity strategy, have been constantly highlighting the lack of PPE and testing, have exposed the care home situation and are currently pushing for information about the exit strategy.

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mummmy2017 · 17/04/2020 08:20

The exit strategy, your all scream for details on , has been given you several times, if you didn't take it in perhaps it is because you don't like the answer.
There are two ways.
Stop lockdown and hope the illness doesn't kill too many more people. Which we can watch happening as there are several countries doing this right now.
Or continue the lockdown for at least 3 more weeks and try to find a treatment that works, while also finding a cure.
The second one means hospitals can cope.

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onanothertrain · 17/04/2020 08:28

What makes people think the opposition would be doing anything differently? It's not as though Boris is making all the decisions on his own. Those giving the expert advice would still be giving it to the Labour Party. The situation is unprecedented and changing continuously. This is not the time to be scoring political points. People are dying.

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Grasspigeons · 17/04/2020 08:52

Its not the idea that opposition would do it differently. The whole purpose of opposition is to hold government to account - its part of a functioning democracy. Eg the corona bill had amendments made to it as the first draft wasnt right (no review periods)

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mummmy2017 · 17/04/2020 08:58

But right now unless the politicians are medically trained they offer no help.
What is it you think they should all be in a room arguing about?
I am also sure that if KS the Labour leader asked to be briefed and had any ideas that he wanted passed to Boris that would already be in place.

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MarshaBradyo · 17/04/2020 09:02

This morning on R4 it was mentioned that KS said the government was in limbo due to Johnson out of action.

I didn’t hear KS say it but sounds unfounded and thought it would be unlike him to draw speculative conclusions.

It was dismissed and I was inclined to agree the government wouldn’t be sitting around waiting.

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Walkaround · 17/04/2020 09:26

lockedown - I don’t know what media you are consuming, but you haven’t asked a single question on this thread yet that has not already been asked of the Government in press briefings. So I’m struggling to understand what questions you think haven’t been asked.

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SquishySquirmy · 17/04/2020 10:53

As for "the science being the same" no matter who's in charge... The response varies wildly between countries, even between countries which are quite similar in many ways. So different leaders do act on the "The Science" in different ways.

Also managing a crisis is not just reliant on "The Science". (Although science and evidence is crucial). Organisation, logistics, problem solving, balancing risks, setting priorities, the ability to foster cooperation and effective communication is all important too. There is no point in having A Great Idea without the ability to coordinate it (no matter how great the slogan).

There are a lot of big sounding actions announced by the gov, but then it all goes very quiet and when you dig deeper very little happens. Eg the NHS volunteer response - I would like to know whether the people who need the help have been able to access it, and wether anything is being done to check how well it is working (maybe it is all going brilliantly, but without verification how can they know?)

Mobilising clothing manufacturers to make PPE sounds super (famous British Brands play even better) but there is evidence to suggest this has been shambolically managed.
Badges are super duper, but missing out on contracts for ventilators and PPE due to not replying in time is unforgivable.

Saying that "we will reduce the risk of infection in care homes" sounds great, but means nothing when Covid-free care homes are being forced to accept infectious patients.

Lockdown is not a binary on/off situation. I hope the transition out of lockdown will be phased and sensible, and the timing will depend on key criteria being met. I accept we may not be able to know the exact plans, but I would like to have the confidence that plans are being carefully made. In all honesty I don't have that confidence right now (and not without reason).

There are so many other issues which need to be looked at more closely, and not every issue requires a degree in epidemiology to ask questions about.

And I don't care "what Labour would have done". They are not in power and it's all hypothetical. If they were in power I would not trust them blindly either and I would absolutely want their actions to be scrutinized!

That's a very long way of saying that sound bites are not enough for me and I amazed they satisfy others so easily.
When did the bar we set for our leaders fall so low?

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SquishySquirmy · 17/04/2020 10:56

"But right now unless the politicians are medically trained they offer no help"

Utter bollocks.

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Bool · 17/04/2020 11:03

I just watching Matt Hancock on BBC now fielding a shit load of questions. Daily briefings they field a shit load of questions.

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