Feeling forced to chose a circumcision...is it my husband,is the religion,is it really necessary?

[efy]

I have read some messages related to this tread by some of you and I understand when you guys call people like us....crazy etc.
I come from a non-circumcised family, my three brothers have never done or need it.
After I have changed my religion I wanted to follow the requirements of being from this religion. I like to believe that I have personally done some changes which were related to my self.
Now that I have an almost 12 months son, it looks that I have to fill up another requirement, which is circumcision, because I am from the religion that requires circumcision but the difference is....the change I need to do does not envolve me directly...is actually my little baby boy.
How do I feel about this?? Well I feel is unnecessary, I already feel guilty for planning to handle my little precious boy in someone's else hands to just harm him...yeah that is exactly how I feel...me and his father taking him with his little smile to a place that God knows what may happen.
And you know what, it was actually planned for tomorrow but I feel relief for now because we have discovered the person who was suppose to do it has had an unfortunate case where the little boy had to be taken to hospital for more operations in order to be 'fixed'.
My husband was circumcised when he was 5 and he believes in it, I don't believe and I think is more cultural than religious, I just do not understand why God will leave this for us humans to do it? Why did he leave that thing there if it need to be removed and why on such as small baby? Why??
My husband speaks about it as being just a simple procedure because he is a doctor but this is not the point, what about the baby? how is he going to feel?
I am relief for now but I am not convinced that this is in anyway necessary if at all...
I rather feel pushed to do it along with my baby.

[baggins101]

KirstyJC said: "I was going to say wow Baggins is a total cock.....but of course he isn'twink

Removal of body parts for non-medical reasons is unnecessary and barbaric. Just because it's been done for years doesn't make it right."

Humorous. Completely lacking in substance, but humorous.

[Dontdoitreallydont]

I've NC for DS privacy. He was in agony afterwards and could not wear pants/trousers for 3 days. He cried hysterically every time we changed the dressing. Was 4 when it happened. He then developed keloid scars on his penis and hates it, he says they look like cows udders. In reality they are just enlarged scarring over the stitches but he is self conscious and upset. He had it done for medical purposes and it should not be done without absolute necessity. The GP who we saw for the keloid scarring said he often saw this complication.

Don't do it.

[KirstyJC]

Thank you. Clearly the wine is having good effect. Having read your posts more clearly, I take it back though Baggins - you clearly are a total cock.

I don't think I need to have substance to express a thought though, surely? Not every post needs to be backed up by fabricated facts and figures you know. Any particular substance you think I should have? Some of us are just bored and fancy a laugh when they read a poster being a such a complete idiot.

Oh - and my opinion on something being barbaric is valid even though it is an emotional reaction you know. That's the point of opinions and feelings.

[baggins101]

Layl77: "Have you seen a procedure being done? No? Have a look on YouTube. Vile, mutilating and unnecessary. Cutting off a part of your body might prevent something that is unlikely to happen anyway but increases the chances of your innocent baby being harmed. Your baby is much more likely to be admitted to hospital after undergoing circumcision"

Thank you for bringing up this other lie, Layl77. Yes, I have. I was circumcised under local anaesthetic (unusual for an adult, but cheap!).
I didn't scream. Not because I am amazingly brave but because it didn't hurt. Marvelous stuff, anesthetic.

I also watched my five year old son's. I held his hand throughout the five minutes it took. To be fair he did shout out when they first injected the anasthetic, but it was cut short since the anesthetic started to work where the needle went in within a second. He then watche "Pokemon, The Movie" on the nurse's IPhone and was annoyed the procedure was so quick and the nurse wouldn't let him take her phone with him!

Just more foreskin fetish propaganda with videos of babies being circumcised without anasthetic as though this was still the norm outside religious circles. Learn some facts, Layl77, before you try to teach others.

[baggins101]

I should add that the disolvable stitches I had DID cause pain.. they went hard after a few days and caught on everything. That was the only pain I suffered but it wasn't pleasant. This was a good reason for having my son done while they could still use the circumplast which doesn't have stitches.

[baggins101]

Tut tut, KirstyJC. I have no problem with personal attacks but I do like to see some substance in the post as well. Your "I think it is barbaric" argument isn't relevant to anyone but you.

[KirstyJC]

It wasn't an argument Baggins. I was expressing a personal opinion. Can't you tell the difference? It doesn't need to be relevent to anyone except me - that's the point of an opinion.

Good job you don't mind personal attacks though...since it seems even your clothing is making personal attacks on you.......

[ravenAK]

So if your adult circumcision was so painless, baggins, that's great.

It means that anyone contemplating a spot of topiary on their ds's willy can be reassured that said ds can be left to make the decision at an appropriate age, & if they do decide in favour, it'll be straightforward & untraumatic.

[NurseyWursey]

Now who's the hypocrite Baggins?

Your reason for doing it as a child is because it was 'virtually painless', but you say as an adult it is too? Adult is in they - y'know, so they can make an informed choice as to whether they want something removed for no reason.

[MissRatty]

Baggins, I am certainly not a foreskin festishist, or I would not have had partners who were circumcised. I value and love all shapes, forms and sizes that exist, whether they be modified or not.

The references I have provided are not mine, they are the references used by all medics worldwide. If they state something which challenges my schemas then I adapt my way of thinking on the basis of the evidence, not the other way around.

Anywho, this is not about my views or yours, but about an individual who is trying to make an informed decision for the good of her son, and your arguing and myth-spouting is not constructive.

[baggins101]

DaleyBum said: "Agree with everything Nursey has said."

When two people agree on everything, one of them is unnecessary.

[baggins101]

KirstyJC said: "It wasn't an argument Baggins. I was expressing a personal opinion. Can't you tell the difference? It doesn't need to be relevent to anyone except me - that's the point of an opinion.

Good job you don't mind personal attacks though...since it seems even your clothing is making personal attacks on you......."

Personal attacks and an abundance of unsubstantiated personal opinion. I expect nothing less from evangelical foreskin fetishists. I am rarely disappointed.

[Layl77]

That's great you numbed your son before you cut off a piece of his skin but most people don't. The OP I presume is not going to.

[baggins101]

NurseyWorsey said: "Now who's the hypocrite Baggins?"

Ummm... think you need to look up the word "hypocrite." It is a person who says one thing and does another.

"Your reason for doing it as a child is because it was 'virtually painless', but you say as an adult it is too? Adult is in they - y'know, so they can make an informed choice as to whether they want something removed for no reason."

Keep reading, Nursey. I believe I said, "I should add that the disolvable stitches I had DID cause pain.. they went hard after a few days and caught on everything. That was the only pain I suffered but it wasn't pleasant. This was a good reason for having my son done while they could still use the circumplast which doesn't have stitches.

You will also find, with a bit more of that reading thing, that general anaesthetic is usually required for adult circumcision but only local for infants. Avoids the risk of a general.

And there are other advantages to circumcision as a child such as almost zero chance of getting penile cancer.

[KirstyJC]

Unsubstantiated personal opinion? I really don't think you understand what the word 'opinion' means. It doesn't need to be substantiated. Proof is not required for a person to hold a belief or opinion. That's the whole point.

Are you sure it was just your foreskin you lost? Only you don't seem to be too intelligent tbh (or else it really is true that men think with their penises and since yours is missing a bit.......well that might explain a lot)

And you really have a thing about fetishes, don't you? There are better websites for people like you, you know.

You are right about the personal attack though, but then I'm bored and you are such an easy target.

[baggins101]

Layl77 said: "That's great you numbed your son before you cut off a piece of his skin but most people don't. The OP I presume is not going to."

Really? Hospitals in the US still normally circumcise without anesthetic? If that is really the case then it is unacceptable in this day and age.

However with the track record of exaggeration and lies which stream from the "intactivist" websites (where y'all seen to get your "facts") I would need more than your word that this is common practice.

[baggins101]

Dear KirstyJC,
I am sorry to hear that all of your opinions are unsubstantiated, but it is honest of you to admit it.

I try to base my opinions on research and fact. You should try it. It would be a refreshing change for you.

[KirstyJC]

1/10

(You do realise that I don't give a shit about whether people cut the end of their cocks off, right, and that I am just winding you up because you seem like a real tosser and hilariously stupid?)

I assume you are doing the same, since otherwise you are misunderstanding the point of most other posts on here. You can't really be that thick and misinformed.

[joanofarchitrave]

OP, I agreed to have my son circumcised. I regret it. I think I felt that because I wasn't actually converting, my son would not really belong to the religion unless I agreed to him having it done. In reality, it is not this procedure that makes a person part of a religion. There are people in all religions who do not go along with individual parts of them - though in the case of the religion I am thinking of, it is certainly unusual.

There have been no particular long-term bad effects that I know of, and I don't really expect any. But I still regret it. Talk more to your husband and don't be patronised out of your feelings.

[PigletJohn]

I have never heard a more ridiculous term than "intactivist"

It appears to mean a person who is opposed to the routine mutilation of children without medical need.

[baggins101]

You are trying to wind me up by admitting that your own opinions are worthless??

Wow. I would hate to see you trying to put yourself down!

[Kendodd]

Oh dear, oh dear baggins.

Have you thought about the chances of you son having a nasty accident with a zip without the protection a foreskin would provide?

Joking aside, this was not your choice to make, it was your sons choice that you took away from him. I don't dispute you arguments in favour of circumcision but there are also many many arguments against it. Who knows what side your son might have fallen on.

[baggins101]

Kendodd,

There are arguments for and against circumcision and yours is the ONLY valid argument presented so far. However as a parent you have a duty to make decisions you think are in the best interests of your child. My son may be grateful he is circumcised and he may, indeed, prefer that it hadn't been done. Either way I doubt it is going to dominate his life or that he is going to need therapy as a result! As a parent you make decisions in the best interests of your child every day. This is just one of them.

[VivaLeBeaver]

some men are very affected by it

I've certainly read about men having counselling.

[AlpacaYourThings]

AlpacaYourThings said: "I'm sorry to hear you had a filthy stinking penis until you were 29."

Erm, I didn't. I quoted PigletJohn. I can't take credit for his comments, I just thought his post was very funny.