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Hungry kids and shitty views

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icequeen34 · 22/10/2020 13:12

I apologise as I'm sure there are already threads on this topic. But I feel so so sad and angry today, not only about Marcus Rashfords campaign to feed hungry kids over the holidays being rejected. But some of the horrible views and justifications being spouted - mainly the old 'lazy parents need to take responsibility for feeding their kids' remark. Some utter twat was saying poor families should grow their own food because 'it's not hard' and another Tory MP claimed the blame lies with absent parents (as if his leader isn't one of those).

These are terrible comments from privileged people who clearly don't understand the lack of time, money, outdoor space and education needed to grow your own or shop more savvy. But even in the cases of the worst most lazy parents, why can't people see that the children shouldn't be the ones to suffer? It really boils my blood especially when MPs get so much in terms of expenses for food.

Sorry for the rant I just feel very disappointed and upset today.

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shesgonebatshitagain · 25/10/2020 08:09

@Xenia

The Tories look after the less fortunate better than Labour. The people know this which is why Labour has not been able to win an election since 2005. The polls tell us all what we need to know about which party is trusted best on issues such as feeding the nation and child poverty.

I’m a bit worried you might be sniffing something but thanks for making me laugh
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TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 25/10/2020 08:10

Yes it’s appalling.

But but, I’m so touched by all these restaurants/ pubs/ cafes stepping in. Britain is such a horrible divided place atm, l almost forgot how kind people could be.

Boris will have to do (another) u turn. And l see 3 pubs in Sunak’s constituency have barred him after he voted against it.👏🏼

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Doobydoo · 25/10/2020 08:15

Regardless of reasons why....it is never the fault of a child.

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Newkitchen123 · 25/10/2020 08:18

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

There's a lot of issues contributing to children going hungry. We need to feed them AND get to the root cause.
I think children should have proper budgeting and cooking lessons at school so they learn how to shop on a budget and cook meals using what they've bought.
If their parents aren't teaching them this, and school aren't teaching them this, then the cycle will just repeat.
We have to break the cycle and feed the children in the meantime.

This!
I grew up with my mum cooking from scratch. I learned from my mum. I made a huge batch of soup from fresh veg and barley etc the other day for about £1.50 that did about 4 or 5 portions. But if no one is educating these kids the cycle will continue.
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Parker231 · 25/10/2020 08:22

I follow Marcus Rashford on Twitter - he is brilliant as are the huge number of cafes and restaurants supporting families over the half term. It’s a very poor government who doesn’t support its children but funds their own incredibly expensive restaurant. Something is very wrong with Boris and his supporters.

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MissEliza · 25/10/2020 08:25

While it's great that people are chipping in to help, my concern is that children still won't be getting nutritious meals. A lady has set up a collection point and she's asking for things like cereal bars and crisps. Better than nothing but the whole point of free school meals is that children get at least one square meal a day. This is why it needs to be done nationally with a planned and coordinated response.
I agree with those who said there needs to be education about cooking and nutrition. I'm not at all denying that it's bloody near impossible to feed families on low incomes but it is important that people understand how to make healthy choices when shopping and cooking.

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dontdisturbmenow · 25/10/2020 08:28

It’s also very easy to make up your mind based on your neighbour’s circumstances. For every woman who gets child maintenance check how many don’t
That's not how I made my mind up, they are only an example.

I looked into data to make my mind up, which clearly most posters haven't bothered with.

Studies have shown a link between obesity rates and poverty
Exactly, much more of an issue but hey ho, the political agenda is on food poverty this week, so let's focus on this rather than the real issue.

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LadyWithLapdog · 25/10/2020 08:31

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dontdisturbmenow · 25/10/2020 08:33

In our local town, over 50 shops and cafes etc have come out to offer free meals when people ask for them. This is great, this involves the parent going (so they have a need) and choosing a meal their child will eat. That's better!
Totally agree with that. One our town have even said that they won't check eligibility and assume that if a day comes, it's because they are in need.

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randomer · 25/10/2020 08:53

Food poverty doesn’t only mean underweight, you moron

Quite.

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shesgonebatshitagain · 25/10/2020 10:17

@MissEliza

While it's great that people are chipping in to help, my concern is that children still won't be getting nutritious meals. A lady has set up a collection point and she's asking for things like cereal bars and crisps. Better than nothing but the whole point of free school meals is that children get at least one square meal a day. This is why it needs to be done nationally with a planned and coordinated response.
I agree with those who said there needs to be education about cooking and nutrition. I'm not at all denying that it's bloody near impossible to feed families on low incomes but it is important that people understand how to make healthy choices when shopping and cooking.

The reality is that a lot of children who eat school meals don’t always have a square meal though that’s not part of the issue and a different debate

At my children’s school for example parents aren’t allowed to chose which I think is madness from a point of view of nutrition and planning an evening meal avoiding duplication
Due to Covid dinner time is much shorter the first come first served system is in place. There is a lot of complaining from parents whose kids are coming out of school Starving because they only had ten minutes to eat and half of that was in the yard. They are been given food to eat they don’t like and they don’t eat it.
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MorvaanReed · 27/10/2020 10:14

Food poverty doesn’t only mean underweight, you moron

Yep. I was plump child up to about 11 years old because Dad had an extremely prolific veg patch in the back garden and he did most of the cooking. He was good at simple stodgy, stick to your ribs cooking that came with three veg. There was always pudding and biscuits. He, himself was stocky running to fat. He was mid 50s when I was born, mum late 40s. He worked for the council, mum had got her pension early due to ill health. We lived in a council bungalow and we managed alright. Hand me down clothes and a chalet holiday at the local coast once a year, usually the first week of autumn term to be cheaper.

My dad was fucking awesome and held everything together with almost unfailing cheerfulness.

I started getting fat when he got ill and got properly fat after he died when I was twelve.

Mum had multiple sclerosis and after dad died she sunk into apathy, probably profound depression. The only shop either of us could get to was on the corner. Fairly soon, all mum could be bothered to eat was frozen fish and chips and synthetic cream doughnuts. I cooked for myself, mostly out of tins. There was lots of chicken supreme from a tin with white rice. I ate cheap crap so I wasn't hungry and got fat. I also got chronically constipated.

Why did we not have money for better food?

Mum was on a small pension and disability allowance.

Mum couldn't drive (through disability).

There was only the corner shop which had a very small stock of fresh veg, was mostly tins, packets and jars and was expensive.

Mum was constantly freezing through immobility. Our heating bills were enormous.

Mum chain smoked. Cigarettes were her first priority above everything.

When she finally went into a nursing home, when I was an older teen, I was left with her sizable rent and electricity arrears to deal with. She'd seemingly been one step in front of the bailiffs and having things cut off for years.

People talk about choosing between heating and eating. Mum chose eating cheap crap and smoking over paying her other bills everytime.

If you want to argue that's not food poverty it's still fucking poverty. Does it really matter what form of poverty it is or which symptom you end up with? Fat people, skinny people, cold people, homeless people, sick people, self medicating addicted people.

Even if the poverty is completely the fault of the adult (point to my mum's smoking if you want) it is never the fault of the child and that child may be fat, thin, clean, dirty and still be living in poverty.

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LadyWithLapdog · 27/10/2020 21:08

Morvaan so true, poverty and hunger can affect people of all shapes and sizes.

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LadyWithLapdog · 27/10/2020 21:11

www.theguardian.com/education/2020/oct/27/indian-child-poverty-charity-offers-free-school-meals-in-uk I came across this article about an Indian charity providing meals to schools in the UK. Commendable for stepping in when the government and Johnson just don’t want to but concerns over the nutritional aspect. Some things maybe should not be left to charity.

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MissEliza · 27/10/2020 21:21

@shesgonebatshitagain the packed meals being provided at our school due to Covid restrictions are fine for a child going home to a hot meal but woefully inadequate for a child whose parents are struggling to put a decent meal on the table. The quality of the food has also gone down over the years.

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Thewithesarehere · 27/10/2020 21:30

In my opinion, a shitty point of view is one that fails to give a shit that the child is just as hungry regardless.
This is the best summary of this matter I have read anywhere so far.

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Thewithesarehere · 27/10/2020 21:34

@MorvaanReed

Food poverty doesn’t only mean underweight, you moron

Yep. I was plump child up to about 11 years old because Dad had an extremely prolific veg patch in the back garden and he did most of the cooking. He was good at simple stodgy, stick to your ribs cooking that came with three veg. There was always pudding and biscuits. He, himself was stocky running to fat. He was mid 50s when I was born, mum late 40s. He worked for the council, mum had got her pension early due to ill health. We lived in a council bungalow and we managed alright. Hand me down clothes and a chalet holiday at the local coast once a year, usually the first week of autumn term to be cheaper.

My dad was fucking awesome and held everything together with almost unfailing cheerfulness.

I started getting fat when he got ill and got properly fat after he died when I was twelve.

Mum had multiple sclerosis and after dad died she sunk into apathy, probably profound depression. The only shop either of us could get to was on the corner. Fairly soon, all mum could be bothered to eat was frozen fish and chips and synthetic cream doughnuts. I cooked for myself, mostly out of tins. There was lots of chicken supreme from a tin with white rice. I ate cheap crap so I wasn't hungry and got fat. I also got chronically constipated.

Why did we not have money for better food?

Mum was on a small pension and disability allowance.

Mum couldn't drive (through disability).

There was only the corner shop which had a very small stock of fresh veg, was mostly tins, packets and jars and was expensive.

Mum was constantly freezing through immobility. Our heating bills were enormous.

Mum chain smoked. Cigarettes were her first priority above everything.

When she finally went into a nursing home, when I was an older teen, I was left with her sizable rent and electricity arrears to deal with. She'd seemingly been one step in front of the bailiffs and having things cut off for years.

People talk about choosing between heating and eating. Mum chose eating cheap crap and smoking over paying her other bills everytime.

If you want to argue that's not food poverty it's still fucking poverty. Does it really matter what form of poverty it is or which symptom you end up with? Fat people, skinny people, cold people, homeless people, sick people, self medicating addicted people.

Even if the poverty is completely the fault of the adult (point to my mum's smoking if you want) it is never the fault of the child and that child may be fat, thin, clean, dirty and still be living in poverty.

I am so so sorry this happened to you. Flowers Your post has made my cry.
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MorvaanReed · 27/10/2020 21:51

Thewithesarehere I am so so sorry this happened to you. Your post has made my cry.

Really, really don't cry for me. I'm a big cheerleader for kindness and empathy but I'm okay. Bit of a mental health wobble here and there (unsurprisingly I can get over anxious about cleanliness but I'm miles off OCD), but hurrah for CBT and I'm living a good life.

What makes me incandescantly fucking furious is that it still happens. And yes, the solutions are the moon and back from anything any government would be willing to do, certainly not bloody ^impregnate-and-leave-them" Boris and his ilk.

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MorvaanReed · 27/10/2020 21:54

Thewithesarehere Shit. I meant to say thank you. I don't mean to be ungrateful. 😁

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