Trump 101: How not to President (TrumpThread #101)

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

Two images. Same day.
161 days to November 3rd.

Thanks to BruceAnd Nosh for thread title.

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3877401-Trump-100-Thread-and-Were-Way-Down-the-Rabbit-Hole?pg=1

[AcrossthePond55]

Bruce the multiple charges have to do with double jeopardy and habeas corpus. You can't keep charging and releasing someone over and over using different charges each time until you make one stick. Instead, they give them multiple charges then 'whittle' them down. So if the DA decides the murder charge doesn't have enough evidence to give a reasonable chance of conviction, then they can proceed with the 'lesser' charges of manslaughter. Or, they can take both charges to trial and let a jury decide, although that's more common if the multiple charges are 'degrees' of the same crime (ie 1st/2nd degree murder or 1st/2nd degree manslaughter).

I'm not watching Scrotus. In fact I just turned the TV on for the first time today. I'm watching our own Gov Newsom address the Floyd case with empathy and compassion as part of his weekly Covid19 update.

[lionheart]

What about his partner?

[lionheart]

www.theguardian.com/technology/commentisfree/2020/may/28/donald-trump-twitter-ban-social-media-order

[lionheart]

www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2020/05/biden-trump-george-floyd-minneapolis/

“I’m furious, and you should be, too.”

[lionheart]

Three other officers were there ...

The New York Times
@nytimes

52m

'Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer who pressed his knee into George Floyd's neck for about 8 minutes, has been charged with murder and manslaughter. Prosecutors said the investigation into 3 other officers at the scene is ongoing.'

nyti.ms/2U7o72T

[BovaryX]

His whole presidency has been a frightening view into the mind of a true sociopath

Really? Maybe his 'whole presidency' was a rejection of Dynastic politics by recalcitrant flyover states.

[PerkingFaintly]

Maybe his 'whole presidency' was a rejection of Dynastic politics by recalcitrant flyover states.


Trump has appointed his daughter as Senior Advisor the President.

He has appointed his son-in-law Senior Advisor to the President and Director of the newly created Office of American Innovation.

Anyone imagining Trump "would reject dynastic politics" must have been sadly disappointed. He's actually king of them. Which is nice, because he likes being king of things.

[BovaryX]

Trump has appointed his daughter as Senior Advisor the President

The alternative to Trump was Hillary Clinton. Remember?

[PerkingFaintly]

I do remember, thanks.

More people decided they preferred H Clinton as 45th President of the USA than D Trump, and voted for her. They had her very long track record in politics and holding offices of state to judge her on personally, regardless of who may have been 42nd President 15-odd years previously.

Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner have not been voted for by anybody. Not a single person. They have been appointed by Ivanka's daddy.

Dynastic politics indeed.

[BovaryX]

More people decided they preferred H Clinton as 45th President of the USA than D Trump

If you disagree with the electoral system of the US? Agitate to change the constitution. Meanwhile, the Clinton dynasty was ended circa 2016. 'Basket of Deplorables' didn't play well beyond the Latte Coast.

[PerkingFaintly]

BovaryX, why did you describe the presidency of Trump, a man engaged in dynastic politics, as a rejection of dynastic politics?

Seems an odd thing to say...

[BovaryX]

BovaryX, why did you describe the presidency of Trump, a man engaged in dynastic politics, as a rejection of dynastic politics?

How would you describe electing the wife of a former President other than dynastic? That was the choice. Clinton's wife. Or Trump. The flyover states said no to Clinton. Her 'basket of deplorables' insults didn't play well in Michigan. The Rust Belt said no. Gosh. Wonder why?

[PerkingFaintly]

You didn't answer my question.

Why did you describe the presidency of Donald Trump, a man engaged in dynastic politics, as a rejection of dynastic politics?

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

Takes one to know one.

bovarism[ boh-vuh-riz-uh m ]
noun
an exaggerated, especially glamorized, estimate of oneself; conceit.

[BovaryX]

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Google political dynasty. Here's a clue. The wife of a former president. You betcha. You didn't answer my question. How does calling potential voters a basket of deplorables help your election chances? You know. As a Democrat person of the people.

[AcrossthePond55]

Claig? Is that you?

[BovaryX]

Gosh @TheNorthWestPawsage. And I just thought it meant my penchant for expensive fabrics was much exaggerated and I have never been to Rouen....

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

gone, but sadly not forgotten

[PerkingFaintly]

You crashed into the thread with a daft claim, BovaryX. I'm asking you to justify that claim.

The fact that you haven't even attempted to justify it makes it look like you can't.

In fact, if you genuinely believe the US electorate will reject dynastic politics, you must be pretty worried for Trump's chances come November...

[AcrossthePond55]

Political dynasty? We've had any number of related POTUSes and survived. But they were all elected by the American people. Scrotus' nepotistic appointments within his family smells more of 'dynastic' than does duly elected presidents.

Two father/sons; Bush and Bush, Adams and Adams. The Roosevelts, although they were 'just' 5th cousins. Benjamin and William H Harrison (grandfather/grandson).

In fact, FDR was related by blood or marriage to a total of 11 US presidents.

[B1rdbra1n]

I remember Claig quite well and Bovary doesn't sound like Claig to me 🤔
But maybe that's because Claig is good at assuming other personas 🤔

[AskingQuestionsAllTheTime]

I have seen BovaryX on the Trump threads before. Didn't make any sense then, doesn't now either. I think it's a case of DNFTT.

[AcrossthePond55]

You're right, Asking. DNFTT.

But it's Friday and I've had (more than I need of) wine.

DH is saying "Babe, back away from the keyboard!" I think I'll listen to him (this time).

[lionheart]

There are lots of Kennedys.