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AIBU?

To wonder how many people have CFS/ME?

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millionsmissing · 30/10/2017 16:15

Recently a close family member has been diagnosed with ME. It's an awful illness that is stealing her youth.

She doesn't speak about it because of the stigma and lack of any available treatment or research into possible treatment.

She has resigned herself to having to live with this condition, probably for ever. She went from being active, fit and doing a job she loved to being unable to read, drive, hold a conversation without losing the thread of what she was saying. This happened, quite literally, overnight.

When she was first diagnosed she learned that many people with this condition find themselves so ill they are unable to get out of bed for years. She is lucky in that she is not as ill as many people are. But she doesn't know if she will ever again be able to hold down any full-time job, let alone one that allows her to use the skills she has worked hard to develop.

It's an invisible illness.
No-one sees her when she is feeling really unwell. She stays in her room, with the lights dimmed, and the heating on, whatever the weather, wearing the big jacket she no longer needs for mountaineering. She has all the kit for this illness, hats, gloves, down jackets and sleeping bags - she never thought they would be used for this.

Most people have no idea how ill she is, she only sees them when she is well enough to power through on adrenaline.
She doesn't look ill. People are constantly telling her how glad they are she is better when she is well enough to socialise. She has stopped telling them she isn't because they can see for themselves that she looks fine and so they assume she is either lazy or a hypochondriac.

But the energy used on not looking ill costs her days as she recovers enough energy to function again. She often finds herself without the energy to stand up for long enough to have a shower.

So AIBU to wonder how many others suffer from this condition and to be outraged that we are not researching like crazy to find the biomedical causes of this illness that is stealing the lives of so many?

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NotSoNewbie · 30/10/2017 18:45

Just wondering if anyone on this thread remembers having taken a course of fluoroquinolone antibiotics prior to onset of their symptoms. I ask because I was prescribed Cipro for a suspected bladder infection about 8 years ago, and on my fourth day of taking them my health turned itself upside down. I had severe pain in my ankles, buzzing sensations in my legs, freezing feet, palpitations, chest pain, dizziness, brain fog....just to name a few of the many symptoms. I was left with nerve damage, and the pain in my feet took two years to go away. At the time various GPs suggested it was all in my head, then when they actually felt my freezing, mottled feet suggested it was a reaction to Cipro, but they'd only ever seen it in people over 60 (and I was mid 30s)...so then they ran loads of blood tests for everything from lupus to Lyme disease, and everything came back negative.

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Floralnomad · 30/10/2017 18:48

poppy that sounds just like my dd , we had to go to London for a couple of hours last Wednesday for a hospital appt and she managed a shower yesterday but it’s likely I’ve finished her off for a few weeks .

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Mamamagellanic · 30/10/2017 18:56

Notso, my antibiotic of doom was Tetracycline. I was already on the slide but on day 9 of this antibiotic (6 week course for a little bit of dermatitis at the corners of my mouth) I woke up disabled. I had nerve pain, all the muscles down my right side spasmed, my entire right side was numb, my brain felt swollen, I was dizzy, I couldn’t walk properly, I had gastro symptoms (lost almost 2stone in the end, making me 7stone) neurological symptoms, nerve pain in my feet, POTs, racing heart every time I stood up, fainting.. I was frantic. After weeks I developed health anxiety, the pain was so bad I was convinced I was dying.

I will never take Tertracycline again!

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JollyCat · 30/10/2017 19:02

My illness started in 2006, i had low B12 around that time, not started injections for it until 2007, been on them ever since, but in 2006 i had an endometrial ablation operation and got sepsis, i was in hospital on 2 lots of IV antibiotics (not sure which) for a week, i was left exhausted and have been ill since

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RubyMyrtle · 30/10/2017 19:07

Me! I’ve had M.E for about 15 years. I’m no longer bed bound but only because I have learnt to eke out the small amount of energy I have rather than pushing through til I drop. I’ve tried several treatments through my Gp & privately. None of which has given me enough benefit to out-way the side effects. I’m a positive person, I make the most of the life I have but I don’t expect to get better as I can’t see what will change to lead to that.

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awaynboilyurheid · 30/10/2017 19:26

Agree Batty As well as getting vit B12 checked and making sure its in the upper third as some GPs will say its fine even thought its extemely low!
Also might get flamed for this but I was diagnosed with CFS as all my tests were" normal range" till I saw a fantastic Doctor who unfortunately passed away a few months later but he said it was an underactive thyroid caused by my own antibodies attacking it ( Hashimotos disease)
I'm definitely not saying it is the reason in all cases but he told me he had treated a lot of people with CFS and they got better once they increased levels of thyroxine He got into a LOT of trouble with the GMC for treating people but he said he had seen good results.It's just another avenue worth exploring. I still have an auto immune condition but I am so much better that when diagnosed with CFS.

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pinkdelight · 30/10/2017 19:29

Another vote for watching Unrest - www.unrest.film/ - it's out at the mo in selected cinemas and is being screened for government etc to raise awareness of the issues. Please do follow and support it online as they're doing really important work against the odds.

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CFSKate · 30/10/2017 21:16
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boomitscountginula · 30/10/2017 21:40

I was diagnosed at 17-18. I had/have severe anxiety too. I would get really confused also which caused me to accidentally shop lift a few times. (Long story!)

I worked my self up thinking I would never have a normal life ever. And I would be in a wheelchair, never have a job etc etc.

When I first got diagnosed, I had a long term boyfriend who would take me out on dates, I would fall asleep in the cinema or on a drive etc. And he would scoop up my 6.5 stone bag of bones (I was too tired to eat) and put me into bed at my parents house. It was really embarrassing, it was like I was drunk, and the next morning it felt like I had a hangover and the flu at the same time.

I did group CBT, which was horrible. Everyone was 10 years at least older than me and was diagnosed after they had "lived", if that makes sense.

However CBT did help me manage my condition. And now, although I do spend one weekend of the month basically hibernating (this weekend I slept 3pm till 8pm the next day) and I do get especially ill around cold and flu season, I also have a fantastic job and a son.

I have to trick my body, and promise it it's monthly respite, I have some OCD tendancies and anxiety still, which makes it hard. Imagine being too exhausted to clean or do the washing, but you need everything just so, if not the world as you know it will end.

So I developed systems to help me cope. Washing for example if my wash basket is overflowing I have a basket system which keeps the overflow neat and easy to manage.

Sorry to go off, I have so many quirks, it is a manageable condition for most though, not many people know about my ME. Just my close family and my partner, it's managed that well now. I still do get attacks, as I call them, but it really is a mixture of managing your own expectations and setting your set little challanges a day x

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Islacornx · 30/10/2017 22:05

Me!
Although I’m mostly recovered now, was diagnosed at age 13 after a nasty ear infection brought it on. Going through school wasn’t great as nobody knew what it was and couldn’t understand why I was off for so long at a time (bed bound), or couldn’t take part in pe lessons or other things and some people made jokes about me ‘skiving school’ or it being contagious Hmm

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chartreuse · 30/10/2017 22:25

I've had it since I was 14 after a dose of glandular fever. It was worst in my teens and twenties, I really struggled through uni and had to take a year out. It has been easier in my 30s and 40s, but I still have to pace myself and rest a lot. I am luckier than many people, I don't have chronic pain, I'm just very tired a lot of the time.

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BigbreastsBiggerbeard · 30/10/2017 22:26

M.E here too. 25 years, approximately. Thankfully 'only' moderately affected, but still unwelcome and limiting. Also suffer with anxiety and any stress can cause exhaustion requiring total rest.

Even after all these years I still 'push' myself if I feel even a tiny bit better; stupid, yes, but it's so hard to not use available energy!

Flowers to all those affected, (and a few spoons).

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KeepItAsItIs · 30/10/2017 22:27

I have it. It's been about 16 years. Some statistics on here seek to be rubbish tbh. I also get annoyed at the 250k with it, it hasn't changed since before I was disgnosed and it is far more widely diagnosed today.

I'm not as bad as I was. I had to give up work. I still went ahead and had children. Their early childhood was tough and it ruined my early years with my son as I kept pushing myself to do things and felt so ill as a result. When I stopped pushing myself so much and just accepted it and stopped doing anywhere near as much, it helped a lot. It was a very very gradual process over years though, first I didn't need a nap in the day, then I felt able to do more,mthen it took more activity to wear me out, it took me 4 years just to be ok with walking the school run. I then started a gentle exercise class and felt good. I then felt restless at home and like I could do more. I've now returned to work part time, more hours than I thought I'd manage. I feel like shit at the end of the week and I've started crashing again which I had stopped doing, but I don't seem to be getting the pay back that I used to. I've accepted that it's unlikely it will just go and I have to manage it and live with it. But I'm still hoping that over time I'll get more and more used to work and stop crashing.

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TammyswansonTwo · 30/10/2017 22:50

I've been really bad for 10 years. Don't think it will ever get better to be honest. I'm pretty convinced there's more going on (thyroid I believe) but my results are complex / inconclusive and no one is interested in helping. Completely at a dead end.

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Deux · 30/10/2017 23:14

This is an insidious illness. My friend’s Dd was diagnosed as a teenager after numerous tests with numerous specialists. She became bedridden. Awful. She had been a very active high achiever. Her parents tried everything. The family Gp wasn’t supportive and basically told her to pull herself together.

She had been tested for Lyme disease/borelllia (sorry spelling’s wrong) in the early days and the tests came back negative.

Fast forward several years, her Mum pushed for more blood tests for Lyme via a private paed. To Germany?

I think from what she said these were much more sophisticated blood tests and unbelievably they came back positive. She’s been treated and is on the road to recovery but is unlikely to recover fully.

I think it’s a scandal that so many people are suffering. I do hope there’s a breakthrough.

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BonnesVacances · 30/10/2017 23:27

DD(16) has had it since she was 14. As a parent of someone with CFS/ME, I find the constant fact checking and controversy over everything I research in connection with the illness utterly exhausting.

It's a highly emotive subject. It's very easy for a single aspect of what you're saying to be picked up on and scrutinised by people who have been marginalised through their illness and, rightly so, automatically leap to defend themselves.

But I agree that positivity is so important. Not because it makes you better. But because you are living with a bloody shit illness and anything you can do to make your life that bit more bearable should make a difference to it. Because as a PP said, once the hope goes, you're not left with much. But as another PP said, positivity can sometimes lead to unrealistic expectations which then itself has a negative effect.

So this is where I believe CBT has its place with CFS/ME, which somewhere along the way has been confused with it being a viable treatment option for recovery. But balancing all these issues, physical demands and feelings of despair is very hard and yet it is so important in trying to maintain an element of quality of life, where possible, without jeopardising your health or recovery.

Flowers to everyone on this thread living with this illness. My heart goes out to you all.

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SorenLorensonsInvisibleFriend · 30/10/2017 23:39

Yep, me too. Eleven years, but with a much better quality of life these days (especially given the disastrous and traumatic hospitalisation that came about with its beginning). I will never stop being grateful for the amazing progress I’ve been lucky enough to make.

I try not to let it define me, and don’t really like to talk about the way it feels, or the way I have to restrict myself because of it, but I have found acceptance was the biggest way of moving forward and reclaiming my life. I still find limitations frustrating, but if I’d carried on the way I was, I very much doubt I’d have the husband I do and the children I’ve been utterly blessed by. So, generally at peace with it, sometimes frustrated.. but ultimately grateful!

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stopgap · 31/10/2017 00:34

Is chronic fatigue is any way related to poor adrenal function? I don't mean Addison's Disease, but the long-lasting precursor that isn't really recognized by the wider medical establishment, but which often goes hand in hand with various autoimmune conditions.

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WiseDad · 31/10/2017 01:55

Bugger. Typed a massive message with my personal story and a couple of points to move tophe topic along. Got lost. Too tired to post it all again after another night of disrupted sleep. (Am GMT+8 this week).

Adrenal fatigue is a thing with similar symptoms but different underlying physical cause if my readings are correct on the matter. I spent time looking for alternative diagnoses when I first got sick.

New allergies are a common symtom. I picked up gluten as a new allergy which has made life tricky but at least I eat plenty of good quality food now instead of sandwiches. Anyone else get s new food allergy?

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WoodYouBeHappy · 31/10/2017 07:04

Morning All Brew

Thank you for sharing and bed waving Smile. It makes me feel less isolated in this miserable illness that has stolen the life I had.

On an adrenaline surge here, fighting a PIP appeal & gathering evidence, hence being awake and being able to post. You'll know what I mean when I say I'm already nervous about the massive crash which I know will follow, so am 'socialising' now.

Halloween Smile

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furlinedsheepskinjacket · 31/10/2017 07:45

good luck wood


:)

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WoodYouBeHappy · 31/10/2017 08:05

Aaw thanks furlinedsheepskinjacket Flowers

Are you sitting in bed wearing that? Wink

Sorry, back to it. My anger and frustration at two incorrect PIP awards are bowling me along Angry

Have a good day!

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SeaEagleFeather · 31/10/2017 08:05

its so damn debilitating :(

I found this link from Mumsnet first then via an NHS website. www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Summary_of_my_approach_for_CFS_/_ME_sufferers. I found it very helpful. Just to understand what was going on gave some peace of mind against the 'oh it's all in your head' brigade.

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needtogiveitablow · 31/10/2017 08:21

I had it for a period in my early twenties and the attitude from others, including family and friends was that I should just get up and get on with it when the reality was I couldn’t even wash my hair as I literally didn’t have the strength the lift my arms. Slowly but surely with the help of the local CFS/ME specialist team I got myself together again and live a perfectly normal active life now. Having said that I never feel sleep refreshed and no amount of sleep will ever feel enough for me and on days when I feel run down I really do feel very unwell but thankfully I recover quickly from this. It’s so frustrating because people hear the word fatigue and instantly go “oh god I know the feeling, im so knackered!” and I want to punch them in the face 😉. Unfortunately as with any invisible disabling condition it will never be taken seriously unless someone has experienced it themselves

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KatieB55 · 31/10/2017 08:22

I would also recommend watching www.unrest.film/ - it should be compulsory viewing for all medical students!

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