In thinking this woman should have been charged with rape ??

[SatansLittleHelper2]

She anally penetrated a man until he was bleeding and yet pretty much got off with it.

And yes,I know in theory she can't be charged with rape but ffs. 😑

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-film-maker-brink-suicide-11321695.amp

[Sallystyle]

Friday I can't believe you even typed that. Shameful.

[blackteasplease]

stitch is right, in English and Welsh law at least. Assault by penetration is incredibly serious but a different offence. Which makes sense.

Agree about the outrage point too. Where is the outrage for all the female victims?

A woman can commit rape if she, for instance, holds another woman or man down while a man penetrates them with a penis (assuming she knows what he's going to do and takes part with that purpose).

[Bubblebubblepop]

I agree the sentatnce seems to indicate the level of seriousness of the crime, rather than us (who know nothing about it) indicating it's wrong. I know sentences can be lenient but we don't really know the details of this

[GetYourHandsOffMyUnicorn]

No she shouldn't be charged with rape because she didn't rape him so sorry but YABU.

[lalalalyra]

Community service for such an assault is ridiculous.

*When a man can rape a 12 year old and get a lesser sentence then no I understand the lenient sentence.

//www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/17/man-who-pleaded-guilty-of-raping-12-year-old-freed-by-glasgow-high-court *

That case was exceptional and shouldn't be used as a guide to sentencing ever.

[blackteasplease]

Also there is no minimum sentence for rape. A community order is allowed in principle, although incredibly rare.

Five years is the starting point for the lowest sentencing category (which involves applying a number of different factors to find the category).

[CockacidalManiac]

Agree about the outrage point too. Where is the outrage for all the female victims?

Whattaboutery. This thread is about this particular incident, where someone has been assaulted. The fact that the vast majority of sexual assaults happen against women does not lessen the effects of this attack on this victim.

[WitchesHatRim]

friday what a disgraceful thing to type.

[Subtlecheese]

It's sickening that victims of sexual assault are treated with contempt by the legal system in this way.

[bridgetoc]

I'm affraid it's another example of a woman being given a very leniant sentence for something a man woild be locked up for. It happens on a daily basis. Look how many of these female teachers escape prison time for abusing a student, or that girl last week who stabbed her boyfriend and got off scot-free. Madness.......

[stitchglitched]

It isn't whattaboutery, it's a valid point. Female victims are so numerous they barely register but male victims and the rare false rape allegation of rape by a woman are often given very prominent media coverage with all the ensuing outrage alongside. It skews the perception of gender based violence.

[SoupDragon]

It isn't whattaboutery

It absolutely is.

This isn't about women being attacked, it is a specific story about a male victim.

[CockacidalManiac]

It isn't whattaboutery

It certainly is.

[SoupDragon]

It's sickening that victims of sexual assault are treated with contempt by the legal system in this way.

I agree. Whatever sex the victims and perpetrators are.

[stitchglitched]

Yes and I'm interested in the level of outrage at this specific offence and the motivation of those trying to imply it would be different if the victim was a woman.

[StraussN]

@sassh

Are you stupid enough to compare those two cases?

[SoupDragon]

And yet if you make any sort of comment about reversing the sexes on a thread with a female victim, you are accused of "whataboutery"

Strange that. Not surprising in the least though.

[stitchglitched]

The first posts on this thread that reversed the sexes were the ones claiming this sentence was a double standard, women get away with it etc. I was responding to that argument.

[GetYourHandsOffMyUnicorn]

I'm affraid it's another example of a woman being given a very leniant sentence for something a man woild be locked up for. It happens on a daily basis. Look how many of these female teachers escape prison time for abusing a student, or that girl last week who stabbed her boyfriend and got off scot-free.

Are you being sarcastic?

[PotteringAlong]

In plenty of countries that WOULD be classed as rape, so enough of the semantics

But not in the uk. So it's not semantics, it's a legal point.

[WitchesHatRim]

Yes and I'm interested in the level of outrage at this specific offence and the motivation of those trying to imply it would be different if the victim was a woman.

Then start a thread about it.

[stitchglitched]

Also SoupDragon reversing the sexes on a thread about a female victim would be whataboutery because victims of sexual assault are overwhelming female and being asked to forget that and focus on a very small group of men is often used as a derariling tactic to undermine discussion about the gendered nature of sexual offences.

Taking about female victims and perpetrators on a thread where the article and posters themselves have implied that the sentence was lenient because the victim was male and the perp female is a legitimate discussion to correct false assertions.

[PinkHeart5914]

120 hours of community service is a pathetic sentence, I mean seriously what is wrong with the law system.

Didn't he try to get away or push her off? well next time a women is raped or has fingers go someone she doesn’t want we’ll ask her the same shall we? Ffs can’t believe people still say stuff like well didn’t you trying pushing them away sometimes I really do wonder what is wrong with some people

Where's the outrage for the women assaulted every single day? Well I personally am outraged by anyone male or female being assaulted in this way

[Sallystyle]

you're right, there's always a lot of outrage on the rare occasion a man is assaulted by a women. Where's the outrage for the women assaulted every single day?


Oh I think there is a hell of a lot of outrage out there. Many of us are outraged that women are assaulted daily.

This thread is about this incident though. It's not ok to say 'what about the men' when we are discussing a case relating to a woman so it shouldn't be ok to say 'what about women' when discussing a case relating to a male.

I'm affraid it's another example of a woman being given a very leniant sentence for something a man woild be locked up for.

That's just factually incorrect isn't it?

[CockacidalManiac]

Taking about female victims and perpetrators on a thread where the article and posters themselves have implied that the sentence was lenient
because the victim was male and the perp female is a legitimate discussion to correct false assertions.

You were the first poster to mention that point, 21 posts in. You created that particular argument on this thread, and then you’re criticising the fact that it’s been mentioned at all?!