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I've just be overtly racist in a job interview. I'm not getting the job am I

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JayHooooo · 10/03/2017 09:08

had an interview today for a job I really wanted. It's for a very professional role, one where I will work with vulnerable people from all different backgrounds.

I was asked for a time when I worked with someone challenging in the office.

I discussed someone who would very openly state their opinions on people. Whether it was insulting their clothes,hair or work performance. She was very very blunt and honest. This caused conflict in the team as people were angry and offended with her and complained.

So I discussed with her what was appropriate for the work place blah blah (insert good I interview standard answer here )

When the interviewer told me that that was a very interesting example and what was the end result I said that she did learn not to be too personal but that she is still very honest but to be fair, she's Nigerian, and that's what Niegerians are like'.

😭😭😭😭😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

Absolute stunned silence from the panel!

I won't get the job. No chance.

The rest of the interview was a blur. I honestly want to curl up and die. I get so nervous in interviews and end up saying something really stupid, but this is the worst.

AIBU to say I'm not getting the job.

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BusyBeez99 · 11/03/2017 06:49

*not all

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angeldelightedme · 11/03/2017 06:51

O it is not a question of whether the comment was technically racist , mote that it shows very poor judgment of what was appropriate to say

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BusyBeez99 · 11/03/2017 06:59

Still wouldn't bother me as an
Employer

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Batteriesallgone · 11/03/2017 07:01

Did you read the OP? Being tactless wouldn't concern you if someone is looking to work with vulnerable people?

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BusyBeez99 · 11/03/2017 07:17

No because it was interview nerves and the rest of the interview sounds like it went okay. Not racist IMO. She was describing a situation which was dictated to by cultural differences. But then MN is very quick to judge someone as racist from what I see.

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HarriettePotter · 11/03/2017 07:19

Interestingly you have been almost as blunt and direct with your 'slip up' as you say Nigerians are. The problem with statements such as this is that they do not apply to all people with that particular cultural background as it depends on education and various other factors so it is definitely stereotyping and inappropriate. it's always best to look at individual behaviour especial;;y when working with people form different cultures (and that can be as afferent as being english and from the north /south). how would we feel about a man saying "well that's what english women are like"?

I mean what could factually and truthfully be said about "all english people"?

We all say unhelpful things some of the time. Thanks if this role doesn't work out hopefully a a better opportunity comes along. at least you have excellent reflection skills and will learn from this Smile.

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Batteriesallgone · 11/03/2017 07:23

Got a lot of Nigerian friends and family do you Busy? To be so appraised of the cultural differences?

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FruitCider · 11/03/2017 07:28

Did you read the OP? Being tactless wouldn't concern you if someone is looking to work with vulnerable people?

Depends in what context. If the op had used the opportunity to explain about stereotypes, how she is aware of her shortcomings (maybe using joharis window as a way of highlighting once you are aware of a problem, it can be fixed), critically analysed where her views came from, and identified training needs, I still would have given her a job.

We all hold stereotypical views. I would be more concerned if my colleagues denied that they were human!

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BusyBeez99 · 11/03/2017 07:45

No but have a lot of varied nationalities as friends and colleagues and so know there are many cultural differences

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AwaywiththePixies27 · 11/03/2017 07:52

I'm a quarter Nigerian myself so my answer came from knowing my family and how blunt they are and the culture of just saying it like it is.

My Ex is Nigerian. So I understand what you meant about the culture. But yes yikes! to saying that in an interview! Do you think it's nerves? I say some really really daft questionable things when I'm nervous. I know it sounds silly but we had a job coach once who'd make us do pretend interviews in front of the whole class. His point being if we can do it in front of 30 people we can do it in front of a small panel. Would a couple of your friends be willing to role play with you so you get used to the curveball questions if that makes sense?

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Headofthehive55 · 11/03/2017 07:54

I don't see the comment as racist. English people are well known for their queuing.

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thetoothfairywhoforgot · 11/03/2017 08:06

OP - I feel for you.

I would send a thank you email (much more common these days) and include a couple of lines about the comment. I'd do this even if you think this job is a no in case you come across the panel again.

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hungryhippo90 · 11/03/2017 08:11

It is quite true though! Nigerians can be quite upfront.

One of my old friends is married to a Nigerian man, who is great! He really is such a kind man, but he used to point out that I was fat all the time. No offence intended, it kind of came a running joke after the first time he mentioned my weight (8 weeks before my wedding!)

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user1470041360 · 11/03/2017 08:13

You weren't being racist. If people think you were they're just looking for any chance to prove they're more liberal and forward thinking than you , when, infact they are just sheep looking to score brownie points.

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LouKout · 11/03/2017 08:25

Its just PC gorn mad eh Hmm

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claraschu · 11/03/2017 08:43

I think that being aware of cultural differences actually helps us to guard against racism.

OP, I also think that you have nothing to lose by sending a thank you email with a brief explanation to the employer. I don't see how that could hurt your chances of getting the job...

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HarriettePotter · 11/03/2017 08:53

"I think that being aware of cultural differences actually helps us to guard against racism."

Of course it's brilliant to be culturally sensitive but culture is not an actual 'thing' no matter how much people try an reify. I actually don't think that what the OP said was racist but it was definitely unprofessional and simplistic which would definitely reflect badly on a candidate I had to interview. Not because i'd think she was a racist but because she said something blunt and generalising during an interview, where her ability to work well with coworkers and her professionalism (especially if working with vulnerable people) are being scrutinised.

"Its just PC gorn mad eh"
why would you say that? We don't know if the op won't get the job because the panel though she was being racist. It's the OP herself who says she was racist. IME people who say "PC gone mad" are those that love a bit of lazy stereotyping. Hmm

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KoalaDownUnder · 11/03/2017 08:55

Harriette- 'culture is not an actual 'thing''

Confused WTF?

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FruitCider · 11/03/2017 09:04

Culture is not an actual thing? I'm definitely Eastern European in my culture despite having a British accent, my Romanian friend often buys me European chocolate, which I enjoy eating as it reminds me of my childhood. Culture DEFINITELY EXISTS.

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user1488647788 · 11/03/2017 09:08

the idea of one national stereotype is laughable when faced with such differences.

Oh please. I was brought up in Ghana. You should hear the things Ghanaians and Nigerians say about each other. Mostly friendly banter that sometimes gets a bit heated. The same way some British people make comments about the French or Germans.

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LouKout · 11/03/2017 09:09

Harriette of course I was being sarcastic in response to the post above mine.

I hate when people say that too.

HtH

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Batteriesallgone · 11/03/2017 09:11

Culture exists in terms of food, dress, language, greetings, all sorts of things.

But personality? Culture doesn't dictate your personality. People are shy or loud or rude or sweet all over the world.

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Batteriesallgone · 11/03/2017 09:13

user I have some awareness of that, and I wouldn't say it's stuff I'd want to endorse or repeat. Just because people from two different countries often stereotype each other doesn't make it right or accurate Hmm

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LouKout · 11/03/2017 09:14

Culture might exist but it's not ideal to make sweeping generalisations in a job interview. As OP acknowledges.

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EnormousTiger · 11/03/2017 09:15

Cultures is a thing. It exists but best to avoid anything which may be misconstrued in interviews. I even had someone telling me in a break at a course I had been anti EU in a comment I made (I am pro Brexit and very pro EU). I am terribly careful about what I say as you never know what the people you are with in those professional situations think. Always avoid anything that might be misconstrued.

Most of us in fairly senior jobs who work with people abroad are giving training in the different cultures - you are going to do a pitch to a group of mormons you won't be offering them tea and coffee. When to hand a present over - when is that bribery and very bad conduct or when would you not get the work if you didn't hand over some token present? How long do you stare at the business card handed to you? My worst one was arriving in Iran for work and putting out my hand to shake that of my host (male) (although he was very good about it and did shake it - polite people).

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