To disagree with whole class detention?

[orangedaisies]

Dd has sen and is according to schools own words well behaved and a star in school. We have never had any behaviour issues in school ever.

She has only ever in Primary school had whole class detention where the teacher has kept the whole class in in an attempt to peer pressure the disruptive kids into behaving.

Now in secondary school a couple of children in dds class are consistently a pain in the backside. Today one of the teachers gave the whole class detention (I have checked this with another child too) because these kids were talking.

DD has sen and issues with organisation forgot to go. She shouldn't have but she does struggle with planning. When she remembered she went to apologise straight away and was told to go tomorrow instead.

So basically dd has detention on her own tomorrow for forgetting to go to the detention today in which she was being punished for someone else in class talking.

I am entirely wondering what the lesson learned from this for dd is.

I mean she will suck it up and do it but what a crock of shite surely?

[ClarissaDarling]

OP- to quote Sean Connery 'army actually' somewhere where whole group punishmenta are a lot worse! But I digress..

[JacquesHammer]

it seems so many parents expect the teachers to 'control' the class and make sure they learn, but only within specific structure of what the special snowflake deems acceptable. As a pp has said on this or another thread, there is a whole generation who will have a rude awakening once they enter the world of work

I think the comparison with workplaces is rather nonsensical - I have certainly never worked anywhere where I have been "kept in" because a colleague has been causing a disruption.....

Fortunately my DD's school don't use this method of detention. The class teacher allows those impeccably behaved ones to go out to play whilst they deal with the others. Which seems far fairer to me.

[wasonthelist]

I don't think a whole class detention is ever reasonable - however I might be prepared to tell DD she had to go rather than be "that parent".

OP does seem to have a point in the specific case though.

I don't miss school at all TBH.

[orangedaisies]

I know Trifle. I was responding to Clarissa's comment about
' As a pp has said on this or another thread, there is a whole generation who will have a rude awakening once they enter the world of work!'

and Clarissa well quite... but in the vast majority of workplaces.

[RichardBucket]

YANBU

Lazy and ineffectual punishment.

[Mumofone1972]

Aliveinwanderland, my control comment was about the teacher, although I think a lot of problems in schools are Through taking control from teachers. Back when I was in school you knew exactly who you could push it with and who you couldn't and I'm sure in that respect not a lot had changed.
Trifleorbust You're probably right but I do have an issue with the broad brush approach.

[Trifleorbust]

OP, that is a perfectly reasonable point though, isn't it? They are going to have a rude awakening when they go to work and realise that people aren't always that interested in whether something is 'fair'. Their team does badly even when they did well? No bonus. Lazy colleague not pulling weight and reflecting badly on you? Boss not interested. Market doing poorly? Round of redundancies. We have to prepare our kids (to some extent) to be resilient.

[timelytess]

You want order in classrooms so your children can learn, but you undermine any attempt the teacher makes to establish and maintain order. If schools were full of little sweeties who were always good (and not just 'whose mummies and daddies think they are always good'), detentions would never be set. No teacher wants to be in school hanging out with badly-behaved pupils when they could be at home.

[golfbuggy]

OP I'm confused what you are objecting to - it seems that you have more of an issue about DD having to go to detention on her own (though you subsequently say that others forgot too, so presumably not on her own ...) than the detention in the first place (it sounds like if she'd remembered and gone on Monday it wouldn't have been such a problem?

[orangedaisies]

Just for the record Tess I haven't undermined the teacher, dd has gone to the detention.

Trifle well yes I agree with you on that point. I highly doubt I am going to change the view on dd on that though who's sen means her sense of justice is literal and black/white.

[orangedaisies]

No sorry golf if I am not being very clear.

My issue is with whole class detentions being used to create peer pressure on the badly behaved children. It doesn't work, it doesn't make the pain in the backside kids behave just as the sitting disruptive kids next to the good ones in class (and we have had lots of that too!) doesn't work.

and if I am honest I don't particularly want dd who has been the subject of horrific bullying previously and is an easy target challenging those children tbh because she is annoyed she has had to stay late.

I later mentioned others had forgotten as school have since rang me on a non related sen issue and I apologised she had forgotten to go and was told she was not the only one.

[MrsWhiteWash]

honest I don't particularly want dd who has been the subject of horrific bullying previously and is an easy target challenging those children tbh because she is annoyed she has had to stay late.

When we have come across this - we had the same it being the bullies my DC were steering clear of. The few times we've had this as well it's been the teachers who don't see the bulling and often don't acknowledge or dismiss my children SEN as well.

I don't see why mentioning situation politely is such an issue - reminding all the children about a delayed detention would be benefit and I think would be a reasonable adjustment for the OP DD SEN difficulties.

In our case with work being sent home due to disruption we are waiting for normal p/t meeting and we'll be polite and ask some questions. I think that's reasonable given the subjects they stream for DD1 is getting high marks and they have high expectations of her - contrast starkly with this teacher covering several subjects DD1 used to do well in giving quiet low ones.

[woodhill]

It's difficult. I used to support a SN student and she was excellent and the rest of the class tended to be badly behaved (not all) and ended up on all class DTin Y7.

I can't remember if she attended but the other dc in the class used to get very annoyed if she was treated differently.

[HmmHaa]

Sorry, OP - I wasn't meaning that you were making a drama, was just making a point about a lot of parents in general who froth about things which are obviously a mistake and/or easily rectified, escalating everything as they do so.

You seem very reasonable and I agree with entirely about the punishment!

[orangedaisies]

Thanks all.

The detention will be done anyway.

I have just spoken to dd and I had told her to ask WHY she had detention (given that it was last Friday and her sen so she was not 100% other than some people were messing around and talking) and the teacher allegedly confirmed to her that it was because x,y, and z were talking and wouldn't stop.

It is done now but I must admit I am still a bit wtf and she has done huge damage to her relationship educationally with dd.

[MsJamieFraser]

My sister didn't mind her daughter doing the detention, (the detention was to be held 2 days later after being given (next class) however dn refused point blank to write the lines and done other work instead as she did not disrupt the class, due to being in hospital.

My sister tried to email and contact the school by phone, was told someone would get back to her. Neice also explained she wasn't in school that day but again was told she needed to attend otherwise their would be consequences...

A day later my sister got the call asking for the meeting, sister said they spoke to her with contempt, and also as if she was a child.

Sister was having one of it. She's not one to complain, but she's also not one for be spoken to like an idiot, when the school was at fault.