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AIBU?

thinking I should have been seated next to my three-year-old on this flight?

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nappyrat · 10/09/2016 21:41

Cheap (orange) airline. Normally v good when travelling with kids - speedy boarding, say they'll sit you with kid/s etc.

Flew out recently & they said a 'technical error' had mistakenly sat me in a different row(!!) to my 3 year old. They fixed it on board (after much grumbling by several passengers about not moving from seats they've paid extra to book to sit together (fair enough!)). But fixed, fairly stress free.

Return flight today, I was sat across the aisle from DS. Their handling agent told me that this is considered 'sat together'?! Erm...really?! Confused Anyway, handling agent refused to seat us together. Cue quite a bit of 'discussing' with them why this was not on IMO. No budging. Decided to leave it & ask the flight crew when we boarded. Who eventually sorted it - v kind older couple agreed to move seats.

Before I let loose with said orange airline's customer services, AIBU to think that sorting across the aisle from a 3 yr old is not appropriate?! DS was wailing, I had to bend across aisle to comfort, there were good chunks of time during boarding when I couldn't see DS because ppl stood in between us in aisle. Just bloody stressful quite frankly. And not what I'd expect from this - or to be bloody honest - any - airline.

Opinions please mumsnet!

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JacquesHammer · 15/09/2016 17:23

Rat - when I have chosen to pay to sit with MY group of flyers, damn right my needs are more important than those of a group who have taken the risk.

If a child is upset the only person to blame is the parent

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Andrewofgg · 15/09/2016 17:34

And of course flying with children is a lot easier if you can go Business/First so perhaps the people without DC should just be sent to the back of the bus even though they've paid for premium classes.

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kali110 · 15/09/2016 17:41

expatinscotland there should be an applause icon.

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kali110 · 15/09/2016 17:44

expat did catsmeow leave? She was so normal on other threads!

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expatinscotland · 15/09/2016 17:48

Oh, she was classic on a few train threads, too, kali! People caught out her contradictory posts and she went spare. I'm sure she's still around, telling everyone what vile people they are. Cats wherever you are, I'll still gladly take that £100 to use on my child's joy.

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kali110 · 15/09/2016 17:51

Yes i remember the train thread! That was great!

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MissPattie · 15/09/2016 18:53

Expat - right as usual

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MidniteScribbler · 15/09/2016 21:12

what you are saying is that your needs come before others, and you sitting down in a seat that 'suits your needs' comes before the welfare of a child.

I get extremely claustrophobic, and being 'trapped' in a window or middle seat would lead me to having a panic attack on a plane. So yes, my needs come first for me when flying and I pay for my aisle seat to enable me to travel with the least amount of bother. Parents are free to make their own choices about whether or not to pay for their children to be seated near them, so they have no one but themselves to blame if it doesn't happen.

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LikeDylanInTheMovies · 15/09/2016 22:05

Midnite - you utter child joy thief.

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MidniteScribbler · 15/09/2016 22:55

Midnite - you utter child joy thief.

Yes, well being a teacher, it is obviously my duty to make the lives of children miserable.

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LikeDylanInTheMovies · 15/09/2016 23:03

Of course! Grin I bet you were flaunting your six months of holidays in front of poor hardworking parents© too, jetting off all over the place on your taxpayer funded wage. Words fail me.

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PunkrockerGirl · 15/09/2016 23:07

In these circumstances I'm more than happy to be a child joy thief Grin
My holiday, my flight seats paid for in advance = stress free.
Your holiday, too thick/tight to pay for seats in advance =lots of self inflicted stress for you and the other passengers.

No it doesn't make me a vile person to concentrate on getting myself through a flight, which is why I pre-book seats next to dh to make sure that happens. Your offspring are your problem, not mine, regardless of where you're sat. Imo, it's vile to risk not sitting by your dc by not stumping up the extra few quid Hmm

I repeat. In all the years we travelled with our dc, we damn well paid to ensure that we were sat together. Now the dc are adults and we're travelling child free, do you seriously think I'm going to supervise your dc while you enjoy a stress free flight? No chance.
I'll have my back to them having a nice snooze after a couple of diazepam and some wine. They can be as upset/whine all they like, I'll be oblivious.
The only vile person in this situation is the parent willing to risk their child being sat by me, or by the group of lads who've been drinking for several hours.
It's quite clear cut, imo. Pay up or shut up, the rights and wrongs of the system are irrelevant, it's how it is. Boycott the system by not paying if you must, as long as you accept that your dc may be seated quite a way away from you. But more importantly that whoever ends up next to them is not responsible for feeding, toileting, clearing up after them etc.
Personally I couldn't have risked that happening when my dc were small and willingly paid up to ensure we were sat together. Each to their own though I suppose Confused

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Mummyoflittledragon · 16/09/2016 02:31

Well we won't see op surfacing with any of those comments now will we. Grin. She's lurking to get in there and make enthusiastic sounds when anyone throw her a bone.

And it doesn't make me a vile person to concentrate on my family l either. I book seats together for DH, DD and me. Be damned if I would split us up. DD has a medical condition and was ambulanced off the plane last year. I'm chronically ill and need DH next to me (or a wheelchair if it gets really bad) to help me off if I fall ill. So all those parents, who think our prepaid seats are up for grabs can eff off.

Do I think it's shit I have to pay? Hell yes, and I gladly pay unlike smug posters looking down their noses at me for doing so.... Then salivating over my seats. Confused

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avamiah · 16/09/2016 03:22

As far as i knew,unless your in Business or First Class there is no
guarantee that you will be sat next to a family member or not, and it doesn't matter if the child is 3, 4, 5,6 because unless you pay extra to be seated together, then the bloody
"computer" will seat you anywhere unless the flight is half empty.
Thats just the way it is, so pre book your seats in advance.
And Furthermore im a mum to a 6 year old but i wouldn't look after another child on a flight.
It's for the family and Airline to deal with.
However if i was travelling alone and hadnt requested a seat of choice then i would change my seat .
OP, never take anything for granted .

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Andrewofgg · 16/09/2016 07:44

If you are in a shop and ask for a specific article and as you pay for it the assistant says You are in luck - it's the only one we've got - and another customer says I came in for that, I need it more than you - which of us will even enter into a discussion about whose needs were greater than the others?

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FreshHorizons · 16/09/2016 07:53

Applause for expatinscotland ( we do need that applause button)

It is simple- if you want seats together then BOOK them.

I might have been accommodating but since reading MN where parents expect to have for free what the rest of us pay for, just because they have a young child, I shall not move on principle. I certainly won't move unless the parent hands me my booking fee in cash first.

I am also unmoved by the argument that I shouldn't watch a child suffer because I am selfish - it is the parent who was selfish by getting a child into that position when it was completely unnecessary.

Across the aisle is fine.

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FreshHorizons · 16/09/2016 07:57

I bet that 'kindly older couple' wouldn't have changed seats had they read the many threads on MN where parents think there are two rules, one for those with children and those without.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/09/2016 09:36

No reply either to my point about being "kind" enough to offer something to those you expect to move

Odd, that Hmm

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SuperFlyHigh · 16/09/2016 10:57

Mummy PunkRocker et al - can there be an applause icon for those of you and others like you?!

Also remember guys or vipers that Ryan Air lets you allocate seats and book seats etc FREE OF CHARGE as long as you check the seats and book them with children. It's not 100% clear on their FAQ but I am sure on their video about this they say children are seated with parents i.e. next to them and not an aisle or 2 away forwards or back like Sleazy Jet do.

see their FAQ on this and their video. To be honest with you I think they're being bloody reasonable not charging families and are only doing this free child booking to claw back customers they lost in the past.

www.ryanair.com/gb/en/useful-info/help-centre/faq-overview/Travelling-with-children#0-11

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rookiemere · 16/09/2016 13:32

FreshHorizons - I have said exactly what you said on previous threads on this topic.

Prior to finding out the level of some peoples entitlement, I would happily have moved in order that a parent could sit with a young DC. Now I'm not so sure.

We've always paid when DS was younger to be seated together - apart from one stressful incident where I booked a "luxury" family package holiday, only to discover that the luxury didn't extend to ensuring we were sat with our five year old DS.

Now he's 10 he's fine to handle non long haul flights by himself, so I didn't pay to be seated together on our flights this summer, but actually we were in the end so that was nice.

As I've paid for this in the past, why would I bestir myself so that others can have it for free. Fair enough if people are grateful and apologetic - yes by all means be ranty with the airline, but real people are giving up their seat for you, so I do hope the OP said thank you to those real people on her outward flight - somehow I suspect not.

If I've paid for a seat, then zero chance I'm going to move now unless it's to a better seat, or there are genuine extenuating circumstances like the family funeral mentioned upthread. And as for saying that seats across the aisle are not together Hmm.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 16/09/2016 18:14

Thanks for the link Superfly I see that's a new thing. Fab. Op still won't want to pay for herself ofcourse. Grin

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SuperFlyHigh · 16/09/2016 23:31

Mummy exactly why should OP and her ilk bother to email or ring airline companies about the seating policy for kids like I did with the limited access for my family friend (she could barely walk long distances due to undiagnosed cancer, swollen legs and had no use in right hand at all due to nerve damage) or take the time to look into the charges or not like we all do?

I'd have more sympathy if this was a new problem but there's been so much on this topic in general media and on MN that parent or not you shouldn't bleat when it does not go away especially if you can't be bothered to check in, pay, reserve seats etc like a reasonable person would do. As someone else said, easy jet's seating plans for parents are their policy, they are not forcing parents to book with them, Ryan Air and BA etc all have obviously better and fairer seating policies.

Also I hate to say it, but flying to and from Bordeaux this August (not weekends though) there weren't "that" many parents with kids so as Ryan Air marketing manager points out "more non Parents fly with them so they have to take their needs into consideration too" (I'm pleased he said that!).

In fact I liked Ryan Air FAQ, re buggies etc... It was all clear, easy to read and find and covered it all. How could anyone complain as I'm sure Easy jets website is similarly clear?!

Again if any Parent or non parent is concerned re an easy jet flight you can email or ring them or the airport and you will get a human voice or an answer, I did this, it was fine!!!

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FreshHorizons · 17/09/2016 06:40

I have always been reasonable rookiemere but I now have a very hardened attitude and it is entirely down to MN and the sense of entitlement that some parents have. I have never been asked to move but am resolved to sit tight in future.
Train seats are just as bad- some of the threads on that subject have been worse with some posters thinking they can have a double seat!

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Mummyoflittledragon · 17/09/2016 11:45

Exactly Superfly. Before this we used to do priority boarding with Ryan Air as I struggle to stand around. This is hardly a new phenomenon. When I saw this was no longer available, I immediately went for booked seats. It's a no brainer.

I think people seem to not know (or forget) a) how much more flights snd holidays used to cost in relative terms and b) how much easier and more pleasurable it is to fly these days with better infrastructure and c) how much safer planes are. If the seat issue wasnt an issue, people would find something else to moan about I'm sure.

I hope you're friends doing ok.

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expatinscotland · 17/09/2016 11:55

Train seats are just as bad- some of the threads on that subject have been worse with some posters thinking they can have a double seat!

Oh, yeah. You buy tickets online, book seats online, then find some twunt in your seat. Nicely point out, 'Sorry, this is my seat,' showing ticket, in case they have trouble reading the digital thingy with seat numbers above the chairs and cue someone huffing and puffing or trying it on. Look, fucker, if I didn't care where I sat I wouldn't have gone to the bother of booking one. Now get the fuck out of my seat or I'll call the staff. 'But I wanted a table.' Yeah, me, too, that's why I bothered my arse to book one. Pull the other one. This is my seat.

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