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to ask how you deal with a child that never accepts blame?

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LissaLoves · 24/04/2016 23:35

DD is 8 and generally very well behaved and very good with her siblings. However, if she does something wrong she always denies it and tries to turn things around to evoke sympathy for her. She has never ever accepted blame or apologised for anything.

As an example: today her and her 4 year old sister were playing in the play house in the garden. I was in the house but popped to the car to get something so could hear them without them knowing.

Dd8: sit on that chair and pretend you're reading.
Dd4: no thank you, I'm just sorting this.
Dd8: if you don't do as I say then you can get out of my house.
Dd4: but I don't want to sit down right now.
Dd8: right, get out then and I don't want to be your friend or play with you for the rest of the day.
[Dd4 starts to sob]
Dd8: baby! Baby! Get out get out get out get out...
[Dd4 wailing]

I go to back garden and ask what's wrong. Dd8 says Dd4 was annoyed there wasn't enough space so she asked if she'd like to do what she's doing outside. I ask Dd4, too, but she's inconsolable and doesn't grass her sister up anyway. I explain that I heard Dd8 speaking very unkindly to her sister and before I even finish my sentence she shrieks 'I wasn't!!' and starts wailing twice as loudly as her sister.

I tend to Dd4 and when Dd8 calms down I say that if she has made a mistake, it doesn't help matters to be dishonest about it, just scream and cry and not talk about it and to never apologise for her actions. I say I'd have much more respect for her and we could just move on if she just admitted fault and apologised to her sister. She maintains she doesn't need to apologise because she didn't do anything wrong. I pointed out that she's never apologised to anyone for anything, so does that mean she's never done anything wrong? She just shrugged and tried changing the subject and being super chatty and nice to her sister and I like she always does if she's in the wrong.

Does anyone else have a child who behaves like this? How do you deal with them?

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bruffin · 25/04/2016 08:04

Lougle
i never forced an apology from because i learnt with him that he needed to go away and think about and you would get a genuine heartfelt apology.
My dd in the other hand would say sorry and carryon doing what she was doing .
She once got a form certificate (funny ones given out at end of term) for the "girl who is always saying sorry" teacher would tell her off for talking , she would say sorry,then she would carry on talking.Shock
Now i would much rather my ds sorry an hour latter , than my dds insincere one.

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LissaLoves · 25/04/2016 22:48

I do leave the room while she's wailing but she tends to follow me or just get louder to compensate for the distance. When she stops I then inform her of the consequence (no more play house for half hour) but she continues to swear blind she didn't lie and will never back down. She's incredibly stubborn and even if she's clearly wrong about something, she'll still insist she's right!

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blackheartsgirl · 25/04/2016 23:16

I'm having the exact same issue with my 8 year old dd2 at the moment. Never takes responsibility for her actions, will scream and cry if you catch her out, she was mean to her sister right in front of her face then told me I must have imagined it, she didn't do it and her sister made it up. When challenged she will scream I didn't I didn't several times then sulk massively and cry. She wondered out in the road without looking yesterday, again in front of me, but I couldn't grab her quick enough, luckily no car coming that time, she denied it and screamed at me she did look, but she bloody didn't.

Also won't do as she's told. Ever. Shes told not to do cartwheels in the house or at the dance studio, her dance teacher has warned her 3 times about this as she kicked another girl. She did it yet again at rehearsals yesterday, out of sight from me as we both dance at the same place, kicked her little sister in the face then denied shed done it and she must have fallen.

I despair, I've tried talking to her, punishing her to no avail. I never had this off my older two, why she is like it I don't know.

Thanks lissaloves for starting this thread, I was going to start one very similar funnily enough. I'm going to try out a few of these suggestions from other posters

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blackheartsgirl · 25/04/2016 23:17

*Front of MY face not hers lol

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Baconyum · 25/04/2016 23:23

If she's following you put her back where she's supposed to be and warn her if she doesn't stay put there'll be an additional consequence. Each time she lies (including denying lying) consequence.

It's interesting, my daughter and one of her wee gang have 'the strictest parents in the world' Grin we all 3 will not tolerate lying and lying getsbthe worst consequences, the other 3 don't, guess which ones get in more bother...and not just lying? Honesty is the basis of good behaviour.

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paxillin · 25/04/2016 23:32

If DD2 does not have a problem apologising and being honest, "use" her as an example. If she does wrong, admits it and apologises, do a "Thank you for being honest about it. I can see that you are sorry, so we leave it at that." Continue ton of bricks treatment for dishonesty. DD1 will see which works better.

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BigChocFrenzy · 25/04/2016 23:58

Never accepts blame ....
Wait 40 years and she'll be Prime Minister.

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MrsRyanGosling15 · 26/04/2016 00:18

I'm sorry but no play house for 30 min for an 8yr old is a crap consequence. If she won't even admit what she did I wouldn't be letting her near it for at least a week. Then there would be a separate punishment for being so horrible to her sister. I think from the sound of your posts so far you have just been too soft and although not purposely, have enabled this behaviour.

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Baconyum · 26/04/2016 00:24

Have to say I'm agreeing with Mrs gosling to a degree, think I'd do no playhouse for a day then 2 days for lying and another day for each denial!

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DoJo · 26/04/2016 09:42

I too agree that half an hour not playing is nothing like a suitable punishment - my son is 4 and will have a more substantial sanction than that (e.g no screen time for the rest of the day or similar) for bad behaviour, let alone lying.
When I ask him about things, I also 'remind' him before he answers that he will ALWAYS be in more trouble for lying than for telling the truth, which seems to help him focus on the facts rather than letting him lie and then addressing it afterwards.

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rumbleinthrjungle · 26/04/2016 11:20

If she's getting the wailing to work for her by forcing you to stop saying what she doesn't want to hear and to shift your attention to calming her down (and is following you around so that you can see and hear her wail better) then rather than ignoring her a firm 'go up to your room and close your door until you've finished shouting please' may work better. And take her up there if she wants to stand and argue about that too. I agree consequences need to be firmer, she sounds like a person of character and determination. Does her teacher find she does this at school too?

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