To think prince Charles isn't that bad

[Julia2016]

The princes trust does good work. Yes he didn't treat Diana well but she also manipulated the media and they were an odd match from the start.

Take the other night, why did Charles not meet Obama? Or was this William picking a job he liked doing?? It looks to me like Charles is being sidelined, perhaps there are plans to bypass him in the line of succession. Or maybe the media are not bothered about him.

I kinda like him.. 😌

It wasn't intended to be derogatory just to illustrate how far apart their lives were, physically as much as anything else.

I don't believe for a second savile was in with Charles. A mentor? This is prince Charles. The queens son. What on earth would he get from a friendship with someone who in life was a deprived, uneducated, coarse northerner Turned DJ and TV presenter, and in death the biggest sex offender we now know about?

Do you not remember Squidgygate? Diana was recorded discussing Savile ringing her to give her marriage advice. He counselled both of them and was close to both of them, particularly Charles. He used to visit Highgrove frequently and was a trusted friend. He also used to spend Xmas at Chequers with Thatcher when she was Prime Minister. He was a very well connected man which is part of the reason he got away with it.

I don't know coarse northerner suggests derogatory but I'm a midlander that has lived down south for fifteen years and I'm most probably sensitive about it....

I know two people who know him very well, neither are particular fans of the royal family, but both are fond of him.

One has known him for around 25 years and has passed on a few nice stories that changed my mind about some reported aspects of his character.

What motherinferior said.

If he were a normal person, I expect he'd pass as that bloke who makes cringe-worthy dad jokes about the Goons. But the point is, he isn't, is he? He thinks he has a genuine say in running the country. So the fact he makes endearingly stupid jokes doesn't really make me feel more comfortable about him.

Oh and for those mocking his grades, a 2:2 and E grades were good in those days.

No, they weren't. Obviously they weren't. In any system, some people get poor grades because they unexpectedly mess up. And those people may later do very well. But let's not pretend these were ever good grades - it's an insult to people who managed to get good grades at the same time as Charles. There is someone out there, who got the grades, but didn't get a place because it was required he should have it.

Oh dear buckinbrlnco, your ignorant, bigoted post says it all really. It's well documented that both Charles AND Diana sought saviles advice on their relationship and he and prince Philip socialised together. Get educated ffs.

billsykes analysis is right. It's a clean slate. Even if parliament were to look at the Edward and Wallace situation for "guidance" (highly unlikely), the two situations are entirely different. Generally, the mood of the people would be considered and I cannot think of anyone, even the most ardent republican, when presented with William or Andrew as likely successors to Charles who would chose Andrew.

Actually the longer bbc documentary had a spokesperson of prince Charles' stating that whilst they had met many times and worked together there wasn't a personal friendship. Same documentary also debunked the idea that he stayed at chequers with Maggie. Now, I am not privy to prince Charles' private matters so I don't know for sure, and I'm pretty certain you don't either. However I'm a bit more inclined to believe his spokesperson over a load of nutty internet conspiracy theorists

Oh, bless you buck.

Of course, you believe the spokesperson. He's completely disinterested.

Did you know, too, that Vlad Putin is a really nice bloke who just loves everyone? I heard it on Russian TV, so it must be true.

Actually the longer bbc documentary had a spokesperson of prince Charles' stating that whilst they had met many times and worked together there wasn't a personal friendship

Well, to be cynical, he would say that, wouldn't he?

Buckinbronco you should certainly read the book about Savile recommended by a previous poster - you would not then be in any doubt about the closeness of his relationship to Thatcher and PC. In the meantime, here's something to turn your stomach:

It's not a conspiracy theory and now that savile has been exposed everyone who fawned over him when he was alive is now desperately trying to distance themselves from him. Saville was a knight of the realm. Do you honestly think that occurred in isolation? He cultivated these contacts for decades. You clearly don't know anything about it, your ludicrous northern reference speaks volumes about your ignorance on the matter.

But let's not pretend these were ever good grades

Momentum type people now have to pretend that Prince Charles is an intellectual, because although in the late 1960s a 2:2 after 2 Es at A Level wasn't exactly stellar, it's rather better than 2Es and getting kicked out of a poly for not keeping up...

It infuriates me that it was all covered up but loads of abuse was, wasn't it? I remember being so shocked by the Neil Morrissey documentary on the Staffordshire children's homes. I just don't know how or why people were so naive to it. I suppose freedom of information has helped a bit and the CQC
It's worrying

Whilst i agree the spokesperson could be lying, I think that would be an incredible risk considering the subject in question. There isn't any doubt JS was a master manipulator who barged his way into many institutions but I do think he thought himself far more important and influential than he was and that was the image he sold.
Unless of course you're of the view he was head of a super powerful paedophile ring of which the whole establishment were members. All run by a kids tv presenter. Because we all know how much the establishment like to be controlled by the working classes

How would it be a risk?

It would be a risk not to lie, surely?

I think everyone agrees JS was a manipulator as well as an abuser.

I've read and watched a massive amount on this, including all the threads on here and David icke. Doesn't mean I believe all of that either.

I'm glad you find systematic abuse of children and vulnerable adults worthy of a smiley face bronco. You're in a hole love, stop digging.

What smiley face? Robins used the smiley face. That abuser loving fool.

And you clearly haven't read "a massive amount" on this or you would have been aware of saviles connection and not dismissed him as a "northerner" who couldn't possibly have been close to the royals.

No. You used the smiley face.

No, that is a wink and a hmmm face. However you will see in robins post of 19.40 a smily face.

What a bizarre tangent

Squidgygate:

DIANA: "Jimmy Savile rang me up yesterday, and he said, 'I'm just ringing up, my girl, to tell you that His Nibs has asked me to come and help out the redhead, and I'm just letting you know, so that you don't find out through her or him;and I hope it's all right by you.'
And I said, 'Jimmy, you do what you like.'"

GILBEY: "What do you mean, 'help out the redhead,' Darling?"

DIANA: "Sort her out. He said, 'You can't change a lame duck, but I've got to talk to her, 'cause that's the boss's orders, and I've got to carry them out. But I want you to know that you're my number-one-girl, and I'm not....'"

GILBEY: "Darling, when he says, 'His Nibs rang [ him ] up,' does he mean your 'other-half',or 'PA'?"

DIANA: "Eh? My 'other-half'??"

GILBEY: "Your 'other-half.'" [ Prince Charles ]

DIANA: "Yes."

GILBEY: "Does he get on well with him?"

DIANA: "Sort of mentor."

She used it to laugh at your ignorance.

It always amazes me on threads like these that people think that if Charles abdicated, the rights of his children and grandchildren would automatically be wiped out. For reasons stated well by BillSykesDog, that is just not at all the case. Each abdication requires an act of parliament and it is likely that the result would be, as in has been in other European monarchies recently, that William would be king as he is next in succession. An act of parliament would be needed to remove his right to succeed.