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To go to the press?

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29herzie · 10/02/2016 13:39

So, WIBU to take the following to the papers or does anyone have a better suggestion?

We hired a car a few weeks ago on holiday. It turned out that it had an electric parking brake (no handbrake). DH discovered that the only way to know if this button hand been pressed (and if the brake was on) was a tiny red light on the dashboard. DH is colourblind and couldn't see the light in the sun. The car then rolled off down the hill, luckily without my DCs in the back and ended up 'only' demolishing a fence. We were in the Alps and so could have been much worse.

We are currently still waiting on the outcome of the dispute with the car hire company about this, but I also contacted the car manufacturer. I believe there is a design flaw that they need to address. They have just come back to me to say that it's nothing to do with them and we need to make our needs known to a hire company in future. I am not happy with this and feel that they should be thinking about making sure their cars are safe to drive, DH can't be the only driver who is red/green colourblind?

What do you think?

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limitedperiodonly · 10/02/2016 15:32

I'm not defending ignorance. I'm saying that if a clever design feature proves to be too clever for a number of people using it, then it should be withdrawn.

That's for my safety as much as theirs.

There are plenty of design features in cars and all sorts of things that have been withdrawn because they are dangerous. Maybe this is one of them.

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LurkingHusband · 10/02/2016 15:37

Christ, hill starts without proper hand breaks

Given how good people are with proper handbrakes, I'm all for the automatic versions.

Given the current pace of technology, and the news today that the GoogleMobile is a step - or wheel - closer, I wonder if this thread will seem quaint in 2026 ?

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limitedperiodonly · 10/02/2016 15:41

Flammable and inflammable mean the same thing - easily combustible.

But so many people came to believe that inflammable means 'fireproof' that the word has been withdrawn on all products that might burst into flames and we now use 'flammable'.

You could say that was dumbing down, but I feel safer when everyone understands what's dangerous and what's not.

Maybe the OP has discovered something that is dangerously confusing. Maybe not. What's wrong with investigating it?

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HeyNonnyMaybe · 10/02/2016 15:47

Thanks for the explanations. My car doesn't even have electric windows, so I'm a bit of a way off one of these NASA handbrakes.

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HandsomeGroomGiveHerRoom · 10/02/2016 15:47

Good points, limited.

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JessicasRabbit · 10/02/2016 15:49

Lurking, were you saying earlier that you aren't supposed to press the button on the handbrake when putting it on?

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00100001 · 10/02/2016 15:53

I forgot to put my full beams down when oncoming traffic came my way


ALERT THE MEDIA!!!!!

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LurkingHusband · 10/02/2016 16:04

Lurking, were you saying earlier that you aren't supposed to press the button on the handbrake when putting it on?

Yup. Working in motor repairs since the age of 5 I have never changed a handbrake used properly (pull and rip) and plenty where the ratchet was worn down by people pressing the button and skimming the teeth. Mustn't grumble. Put food on the table and a roof over our heads.

I doubt you'd find a car with an old-style handbrake (wonder why ? Hmm). But if you do, you'll find (usually) you can get an extra "notch" by pull and rip, compared to press-and-pull. (Why do you think the ratchet was there ?). That single notch difference can be the difference between properly on, and enough to roll.

As I said, the proof of this was in cars which didn't have a button, and you could only rip. Most US cars I drove, and cars with a dashboard handbrake - you have to rip the ratchet - it's unavoidable.

The only car I have had roll on me - annoyingly - was a couple of years ago. It was very cold, and there had been a heavy frost, then snow. Our car was on our sloping to the road drive, (automatic) handbrake on. Woke up and it was straddling the pavement. Closer inspection revealed it had not "rolled" (handbrake was on solid) but that somehow ice had formed under the tyres and it had slid down the drive - as shown by the line in the snow. No tread, just a channel ....I have never before (or since) heard or seen this (although posting on various forums suggested it wasn't unheard of). Since then, I have 2 bricks by the gates, for chocking the car in icy weather. (Which has proved an effective way to ensure we haven't had any Smile).

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SoupDragon · 10/02/2016 16:14

Soup, having met such a contraption and followed the abbreviated instructions...

I'm not sure why you've addressed this to me. I've only commented on traffic lights Confused

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mouldycheesefan · 10/02/2016 16:21

Hold the front page....

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Ameliablue · 10/02/2016 16:28

If he knew he couldn't see clearly because of the sun, I would expect other precautions, such as shading it or asking someone else to check, leaving it in gear, not leaving it on a hill...
The way you describe it, it sounds as if he knew there may be a problem when he left it, so his responsibility.

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BunnyTyler · 10/02/2016 16:29

It's actually easier doing a hill start with an automatic handbrake, because you just have to start driving to overcome the brake - no messing around finding the bite.

Automatic handbrakes, auto wipers, auto lights, auto parking, parking sensors, reversing camera, keyless entry, keyless ignition - they are all on my 'essentials' list for a car nowadays!

The only thing I don't like as auto is the gears - I prefer manual.

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Iamnotloobrushphobic · 10/02/2016 16:40

I'm not sure how being colour blind affects the ability to see wether a light is illuminated - doesn't it just appear illuminated in a different colour than it actually is? (Genuine question).

I agree with those posters suggesting that you would know if the handbrake isn't on when parked on a hill whether the car had an illuminated light or not. I have an automatic parking brake and I never check if the light has illuminated because it's quite obvious when it is on (and as soon as I release my seatbelt the parking brake comes on regardless).

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specialsubject · 10/02/2016 16:42

vehicle design stupidity is becoming more common, and I agree with the person who hates cars with so many lights and warnings. I KNOW it is cold outside, I walked to the car, I don't need a light on the dashboard. If my next old banger has reversing alarms, I'll be cutting the wires.

that said, when driving an unfamiliar car - RTFM first. And when parking on a slope, leave in gear AND turn the wheels AND put the brake on.

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LurkingHusband · 10/02/2016 16:44

vehicle design driver stupidity is becoming more common

FTFY ...

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GigiB · 10/02/2016 16:55

Is it a vw (i know there's quite a few type of cars with a parking brake so may not be).

My car did exactly this. rolled down a slope into someone fence. I tried to get money off vw but they didn't admit liability. Really cross as we lost our no claims etc. When i phoned them up they didn't ask for any details so it clearly happens quite alot..

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LurkingHusband · 10/02/2016 16:55

My car did exactly this. rolled down a slope into someone fence

Gear ? Wheels steered to side ?

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randomsabreuse · 10/02/2016 17:07

At OHs old work there were 2 company cars with electronic hand breaks. One morning both went on frolics of their own off the frontage. No kerbs there, both were driven by their normal drivers so doubt they both screwed up!

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LIZS · 10/02/2016 17:18

Sorry. I don't think it is either the hire company or manufacturer's responsibility to ensure that your dh is able to drive a particular model of car. If he felt it was an issue he should have asked for a different model. Presumably you are having to pay for damage or insurance excess.

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WhirlyTwos · 10/02/2016 17:20

Not read the whole thread as I fear it will be as soporific as any proposed news article.

Not a design fault. His colour blindness has nothing to do with his error, which by your own words was attributable to bright sun. I find improvised shades made of my hands and screwed up eyelids useful for seeing things in bright sun.

Also, people seem to get by using red brakelights on sunny days worldwide.

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MistressDeeCee · 10/02/2016 17:23

I think you should approach the press, and a consumer watchdog organisation OP. What do you have to lose? Nothing ventured nothing gained after all. If it doesnt turn out the way you want it to well then, at least you gave it your best shot as opposed to being swayed into not trying.

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OurBlanche · 10/02/2016 17:31

Not read the whole thread as I fear it will be as soporific as any proposed news article.

Well exceruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse us for having an opinion!

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limitedperiodonly · 10/02/2016 17:57

If you got the story in the press ( unlikely unless you can find others who had the same problem)

A few PPs have said this. That's not how it works. I'm a journalist. If someone alerts me to a story I don't make them do any research. That's my job.

I find what the OP said interesting. If it was my field I might find it worth further investigation. Alternatively, I might apply my knowledge and conclude it wasn't a problem.


I don't know, because it's not my area of expertise. But it sure as shit is even less so for most people on this thread who are telling her not to call. What does it matter to you?

It's not as if car manufacturers don't want to keep inconvenient truths out of the papers is it? Who'd have thought those nice people at VW would lie about emissions tests?

Anyway, it's been heartening reading so many PPs apparently worried about wasting poor journalists' time Wink. That's not the way it usually goes

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JessieMcJessie · 10/02/2016 18:05

Limited I wasn't necessarily thinking that the OP would have to do the research herself although I accept that the phrasing of my comment did suggest that. Presumably there would be nothing newsworthy if the journalist could not find others with the same issue?

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JessicasRabbit · 10/02/2016 18:06

Thanks lurking, I'd never thought about it. I was taught to press the button, it never occurred to me to question it. Will be changing habits from now on. With the leaving in gear thing, does that do no damage? I used to do it on my old car (crap handbrake - probably my fault), but stopped with the new one.

Back to the point of the thread though, I don't think you can blame someone else if your DH knew that he couldn't see the light properly but took no steps to double check.

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