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AIBU to be unsure how I feel about DS losing his virginity?

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GreenGlassLove · 08/01/2016 00:44

Ok, I apologise in advance as this will probably be a long OP, but to avoid confusion and drip feeding there's some background which may or may not matter.
DH and I have 3 DSs. DS1 is our biological son, DS2 and DS3 are brothers, sons of family friends who we adopted after their parents died. At the time, DS2 was 15 and having a pretty rough time of it so we always made it very clear he wasn't an outsider, that we thought of both him and DS3 as part of our family and if he ever needed advice or to talk about anything or just a hug we would be there for him. A couple of times he did, but for the most part kept it to himself.
Fast forward to four years ago, DS2 met his current girlfriend and found a kindred spirit almost.
Fast forward again to a few days ago, they had come over for dinner and I noticed something was a little off about them. When we were on our own I asked him if he was ok and he said that he was, then a while later cornered me and said (with a face the colour of the red cabbage mind you!) that he and girlfriend had had sex for the first time and he was a little unsure if it was supposed to change anything, or if it was a sign she wanted him to propose. Long story short we had a brief chat about it (pink cheeks all around), I assured him that I didn't think she was trying to get him to marry her, he assured me he had wanted to do it, we both returned to company in better spirits.
Now I'm thinking about the conversation I'm feeling a little strange about it. Not because I think he shouldn't have had sex because frankly he's 24 years old, it's his body part and his life, but I almost feel like he's grown up to the point where he simply doesn't need me. AIBU to feel like this?

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BeanGirls · 09/01/2016 09:21

It sounds like he really does need you. And so sweet thst he can talk to you about these things. I think that relationships change over time that's all. We'll done he sounds like a lovely young man.

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mincebloodypie · 09/01/2016 09:45

Bless you. You all sound absolutely lovely.

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alreadytaken · 09/01/2016 10:08

NBU to feel that his is a major change in your life as he's finally becoming an adult. However he clearly does still need you and want you in his life.

Maybe he actually needs a longer talk with you about his relationship with his girlfriend and if he is now ready to really commit to a life with her. After 4 years if she is a kindred spirit what is he waiting for?

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ChishandFips33 · 09/01/2016 10:21

I'm wondering as well if by finally giving 'everything' to each other has not only concreted feelings for each other but also brought about anxiety and worry of the sense of loss they may feel If things go wrong (change can be disconcert sting at the best of times) - it might be rehashing feelings of when they lost their parents. It must be such a confusing time for them

I think it's wonderful that he feels he can confide in you - do you think she could as well? Does she have anyone else close she can talk to to explore her thoughts/feelings with

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SoWhite · 09/01/2016 10:28

After 4 years if she is a kindred spirit what is he waiting for?

That might be the worst advice I've seen in a long time. No way is DS ready for marriage!

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GreenGlassLove · 09/01/2016 12:39

@alreadytaken
I might have a talk with both of them today (they're coming over for DS3's rugby match). To be honest, I agree with SoWhite in that he's not ready for marriage yet, I think they both want to get married and possibly start a family, but definitely GF,and possibly DS too, think that marriage now would be way too fast, especially with this obviously having rocked DS a bit.
@ChishandFips33
It's possible she'd feel comfortable talking to me, I would certainly like to think she would be able to. Failing that I think she'd probably talk to her sister. Is it possible that if this has stirred up the same sort of anxieties as when they're parents died then DS will behave in a similar way too DS3 just afterwards (very protective, always wanting DS3 to know he loves him, etc)? Should I look out for that?

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ChishandFips33 · 09/01/2016 20:28

I guess anything is possible and it could be something for you to be aware of on both their parts as they may understandably misread each other's feelings/actions/words.
If you feel it's appropriate you could explore this possibility with him

I think a situation/relationship
would be complex with one partner suffering such a great sense of loss let alone both, and at such an impressionable age

I think it's fantastic that they are taking/have taken things slowly and building firm foundations for their future together

You are also doing/have done a wonderful job and although you might have felt in the past the boys have needed you, your wisdom and life experience is very much needed now

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KurriKurri · 09/01/2016 21:21

I wonder if he was trying to get a female perspective on what sex means emotionally to a woman - he seems reasonably clear on what he feels it means for him but perhaps having waited a long time with his girlfriend, and with his parents as you say having been quite strict on such things maybe he felt he'd made a commitment that was more than he had intended.

I think you did the right thing in reassuring him that it is fine and sex in a relationship doesn't mean a lifetime commitment -it's a consentual pleasurable act between two people with feelings for each other.

he sounds like a lovely young man who has been through a lot in his life. I would take it as a huge compliment that he thought he could bring his worries to you and a reflection that he truly feels like he is an important part of your family.

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GreenGlassLove · 10/01/2016 00:23

Another update for you, when they came over they seemed a lot more relaxed than before, which is good, though after the match DS2 did give DS3 a hug and say he was so proud of him, which is a little out of character for him.
I was chatting with GF while we were making lunch and she mentioned that when they'd talked about it he did seem to think she was looking for marriage (which she says she isn't) and got quite anxious because he was scared if he said he didn't want marriage yet she would move on. She also said he'd mentioned feeling guilty for defying his parents but then feeling doubly guilty for living by their rules well after their death (nearly 10 years ago) to the point that he's letting it affect their relationship, which was quite troubling for both of us I think...

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ThumbWitchesAbroad · 10/01/2016 04:11

You know, I think he's clinging to their ideals more because they died. I feel that if they were still alive, he'd probably have rebelled against their rules well before the age of 24! I could be wrong of course, but that's my instinct on the matter.

If you get to talk to him any more about it, tell him that his parents would want him to live his life according to his own conscience, and that they would be extremely proud of the way he's turned out. Tell him that he's now of an age where he can make his own mind up about how he wants to live, he's got the basic groundwork well sorted, so he can now choose the way forward that best suits him (and his GF).

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GreenGlassLove · 11/01/2016 09:36

@ThumbWitchesAbroad
That's my feeling too, given he was reasonably rebellious before his parents died. I'm not entirely sure how to broach the subject, sometimes talking about his parents is fine and sometimes it really upsets him, and there seems to be no pattern to it. I will try to tell him he can live his life however he wants, and that it's not to disrespect his parents' memory but because they'd want him to be happy.

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alreadytaken · 12/01/2016 21:33

deciding that this is someone you want to be with long term doesn't necessarily mean getting married next week. I think you need to talk to him about why it has taken him so long to move his relationship on. Obviously I don't know how strict his parents were but most parents would have a very different attitude to a 15 year old boy and to a man of 24.

Those who are most strict tend to favour early marriage. However I hope that his parents weren't quite that strict and you can help him to realise that as he got older they would have wanted him to form a stable relationship.

The horror expressed here at the idea that a 24 year man might be ready to settle down suggests the type of mummy whose can't let her little boy grow up.

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GreenGlassLove · 13/01/2016 00:54

@alreadytaken
I know that, I'm very glad they've decided they want to be a long term thing. I shall ask him about that, however I don't know that he'd be able to answer me, a lot of his insecurities (or whatever we're calling them) seem completely inexplicable even to him, he even seems to understand the illogicality (is that a word?) of his own thoughts but that only seems to upset him more. I can theorize that's it's fear of rejection and not wanting to push her too fast since she was grieving for her parents in their early relationship and feeling he's not good enough for her or whatever else I can think of but at the end of the day I just don't know.
His parents never pushed early marriage, in fact they encouraged him and his older brother (also dead for the record) to form a strong relationship before they even thought about marriage, but they were strict that they wouldn't be having sex with them until they were a long term thing.
I don't think I'd describe it as horror, more a slightly bittersweet sensation of being proud of how well he's done and the man he's become, but also a little sad that there might come a time when he doesn't need me at all, surely you've felt something similar yourself, no?

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GreenGlassLove · 17/01/2016 00:40

Ok, more updates because this has kind of become a place for me to talk to myself so I can straighten my brain out.
DSs 1 and 2 both came over with their respective partners today and DS2 seems to be a lot more comfortable, I'd say probably a little more comfortable than he was before all this. We spoke briefly about how he was physically (he has some health problems that tend to flair up in cold weather) and the conversation turned to our previous conversation, he thanked me for listening to him and actually gave me a hug, which hasn't happened in a while so it seems things are relatively back to normal now, and DS3 got man of the match in his rugby so extraordinary bad luck notwithstanding I think things will pick up from here on out, thank you for all your support and suggestions Smile

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Samantha28 · 17/01/2016 00:49

I agree that you all sound lovely and wish you and your boys all the best in the future

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WeAreTheOthers · 17/01/2016 01:41

Late comer here but out of idle curiosity do you mind if I ask what sorts of problems your DS has had?My apologies if that's overstepping the line, I hope your DS is a lot better now.

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GreenGlassLove · 17/01/2016 02:21

@WeAreTheOthers
Not particularly. I can't exactly give you a full medical history of course but physically he's had asthma since childhood, not severe unless he's under a lot of stress or if it's freezing cold and he has a dodgy knee that he insists he's never injured which also plays up in the cold. Mentally we're not sure as he's got no formal diagnosis but we think it's mostly centered around low self esteem and insecurities that tag along with that. He is much better now, though he has bad days like the rest of us Sad

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GreenGlassLove · 17/01/2016 02:33

@WeAreTheOthers
This is why I shouldn't post at 02:30. He also seems to get quite anxious about a lot of things, not to the point of having an anxiety disorder I don't think but he certainly worries a lot. And he's prone to migraines, especially when he's anxious.

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GreenGlassLove · 23/01/2016 02:14

Ok, diverging ever so slightly here but I'd like to keep a record of this.
GF phoned me Wednesday night to say DS wasn't doing too well. She said that he'd been feeling very low, crying, generally more sensitive than usual but when she asked what was wrong he just said he'd had a crap day, which isn't unusual for him to react in a similar way when he's stressed or upset, and it usually only lasts a day or so. She called again last night to say he was quite upset again, and asked me if I could call him later, which I did to some apparent avail because he seemed in a better mood when we rang off. This evening GF texted me and said he'd been having nightmares again, and wasn't sleeping well, so I asked to talk to him but he'd apparently gone to bed with a migraine (which isn't unusual either) and appeared to be sleeping it off. She's just texted me saying he'd had another nightmare but wouldn't let her comfort him at first and after she did and they got back to sleep she woke up later and heard him throwing up. He has made himself sick in the past so she's quite worried, I'm trying to calm her down right now but I'm putting it here because a) the advice has been pretty good so far and b) I don't feel like I'm talking to no one here so this is where the keeping track is going. .

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lborgia · 23/01/2016 05:21

Not sure if you're still there, but wonder if he has any ongoing contact with a gp, psychologist or other health care professional? Sounds as if he's done an amazing job to have got as far as he has and you to have got him this far too. GF also sounds like a real support. But. Maybe he needs a safe space to work out his worries, without worrying about leaning too heavily on either you or gf.

Given all the physical manifestations of stress you've mentioned, it would be reasonable to think that a professional might suggest working out what, exactly, is causing his extreme distress.

I know it can take months to get to a psychologist, but this seems big enough to warrant consistent and experienced support. Might be worth the wait.

You've obviously done an incredible job but maybe you can both carry on being a mum and gf whilst he's getting professional support too. Seems it might be a good time for him to look forward and maybe back a little.

Good luck, you sound lovely. Flowers

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GreenGlassLove · 23/01/2016 18:04

@Iborgia
That is something I've thought about and I think GF has as well, I'm not sure that he'd be too up for it because he really doesn't like talking about his emotions and I'm worried "forcing" him to might make it worse but I will mention it to him just in case.
They did come over today, they left quite early because DS's headache was bad but that could be a good sign that the nausea might just be from the migraine. He didn't mention anything but I wasn't really expecting him to, if they come over tomorrow night I'll try to talk to him, if not I'll call him. GF and I had a chat together and there were a few tears from both of us, I think DS1 and his fiance have twigged something's going on, DH is noticeably worried but trying not to show it and we're trying to stay normal-ish for DS3 and put on a brave face for DS2.

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lborgia · 24/01/2016 06:01

I think fear of emotions is quite common. I'm not sure quite what we think they'll do if we give them space, but if he sees it as a safe space where exploring his thoughts won't harm anyone it might well give him relief from what seems to be ongoing tension. The more he builds layers of what he should do, and how he should behave, the less room there is to breathe. That probably sounds silly but we can become suffocated by all the things we're desperately trying not to think.

It sounds far bigger than his relationship if it's impacting on all of you and you're so concerned that you're having to hide your concern, he needs to do something.

It sounds as if there is a fair amount of horror and not looking at it sometimes makes the nightmare even bigger, darker and more forbidding than it if he "switches on the light". Just my experiences of course.

CakeFlowers more things for you, it's so difficult being a mum.

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GreenGlassLove · 24/01/2016 06:27

@Iborgia
That it is, I do agree that if it's worrying all of us then something needs to be done, but I'm also scared that making him talk will hurt him more, which is probably silly because logically bottling it up will only make things worse for him. But I will definitely ask him since this is far past the point of me not knowing what to do. Even if it is just a particularly bad blip professional help might make them more infrequent, migraines, nausea, puking and general upset can't be any nicer for him than they are for us to watch them happening to him can they?

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GreenGlassLove · 24/01/2016 23:26

Well, they came over today and DS's headache was much better apparently. GF said he slept soundly last night so that's good. I did ask him, privately, how he was doing and he said he was better now, and he was sorry for getting us worried. I suggested to him maybe asking for some kind of therapy, he said he didn't really need it because it was just a slip up, I didn't want to push it too hard but I asked him to seriously think about it and he said he would, so there are some small wins today.

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lborgia · 25/01/2016 11:36

Good, I'm glad he feels better. But with slip ups like that there's every reason to sell help. Thanks coming back.

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