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AIBU?

To be annoyed at DH's (non-)usage of leftovers?

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murmuration · 12/10/2015 09:28

A bit of background: DH has CFS/ME and stays home with DD, while also starting up a business part-time (this is to explain why he can't just cook himself and DD lunch). I also have CFS/ME, but not as severely, and work full time (although compressed into 4.5 days a week). I'm also currently having health issues where I can't eat in the evening, so I don't have dinner (which makes this whole thing very weird).

I try to meal plan such that I leave DH and DD leftovers every weekday for lunch (4 meals, as I'm home for a late lunch on one day), and also provide dinners. I cook and eat lunch on the weekends, sometimes a dinner (but don't eat it), as well as dinner 1-3 times a week. This means I work to make sure DH has 7-9 meals worth of leftovers a week, and 4 for me to bring into work. Because of my current health issues, and because DH and DD share a meal (she's just 3), it means the meals I leave for DH are much larger than mine, so I can't easily just eat the ones I leave for him.

This weekend I had to throw out two moldy meals that DH had not eaten. This annoys me, as it seems like while he'll eat whatever I serve when I cook it right then, he picks and chooses the left-overs such that he'll go for the fresh-made meal from yesterday instead of the one from two days ago that needs to be eaten. And then he waits so long they go bad. Food waste just gives me the rage, and also I'm trying to economise by doing things like using less meats, etc, in a dish, and I find he is wasting entire meals!

Back before my health issues worsened, I used to stick meals I saw getting old in the freezer and take them in with me for lunch. But now they are so big they make me sick. Plus, even back then I'd have a terrible back-log, since I use less leftovers than him.

AIBU to expect DH to eat the food I leave for him? He does in fact want leftovers - if they're not there, I'll come home to find he's struggled to get food: he'll manage to get enough random items together to make a reasonable meal for DD (a banana and some bread plus some ham, cheese and yoghurt, etc.) but doesn't eat much himself.

Although now that I've written this, I'm being to feel like IABU. 7-9 left-over meals out of 14 is a lot in a week. Perhaps I should be cooking more single-serving items for dinner, as I currently usually make meals that have left-overs in order to produce the amount we need (which is made larger than it needs to be because of DH wasting them, argh!).

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OnlyLovers · 14/10/2015 16:10

The more I read, the more I just think (and I AM sympathetic about his illness, honest) that others are right and he needs to take a bit more responsibility for his own meals and your DD's.

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PlaymobilPirate · 23/10/2015 08:55

I agree with only - he needs to take responsibility.

When you say 'tried a new dish he liked' do you mean you researched, bought and cooked it or did he? I get that he's ill - but so are you, I can't believe he can't find recipes etc. Could he find / form a support group on Facebook or somewhere for people with similar intollerances so they can share ideas?

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ijustwanttobeme · 23/10/2015 09:35

No advice to OP really, other than can the leftovers be foods he'd definitely like to have again. Or don't do the leftover thing and just ensue enough sandwich/ salad ingredients are available instead (apologies if this is not possible, as don't know enough about CF/ME health conditions)

My DP doesn't seem to like leftovers either.

I have no problem with them. My parents worked mega long hours when I was growing up, so the weekends were spent batch cooking, and we ate the same food all week if necessary.

The galling thing is when DP decides to cook, he has no concept of quantity. Example, he'll make a stew but it's like he's feeding the 5000. There'll be enough for the rest of the week and then some.. And then some again....

But he'll sit on day 1 and smugly say, how lovely his own stew is, but no he won't want to have the leftovers the next day or the next.

What's even worse is and am going slightly off tangent is that he doesn't put his leftovers in a Tupperware pot or similar, but he'll just stick his plate in the fridge cling filmed up with a couple of sausages and a tablespoon of mash that he couldn't quite finish.... Aaaagggghhh!

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BreakingDad77 · 23/10/2015 11:52

As other have mentioned I think he could do a bit more. I dont get why you need to do all the running about.

I hate food waste and try to bag up stuff DW will only eat things like meat etc that are leftovers. DW gets the bug to make soup it gets frozen and it and just sits in there for 6-months to a year. I have ended up using it as a base for a caserole.

DW also not a fan of the meals I batch cook spag bols, chilli, curries which I used to live on when single.

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PuntasticUsername · 23/10/2015 13:21

Bloody hell OP. Having read all your posts, I'm not convinced you really need to be doing quite as much work as you are in order to cater to the every whim of another grown adult.

"He has sounded quite grateful when I've said, "How about I warm up X for your dinner?", so I think part of his problem with obtaining food is the decision-making step beforehand."

Are you quite sure it's that, and that it's not more that he likes having you look after him? It sounds to me more like deliberate helplessness on his part than anything else.

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murmuration · 25/10/2015 21:28

ijustwant - at least DH does like the meals he cooks leftover! He does the same thing, too, he'll make his special meal and it serves something like 12. But he goes through the leftovers no problem. I have to admit that I have deliberately avoided learning how to make 'his' meals, so that he actually has to cook to get them. Actually, I'm sure I could, but I simply act like I don't know -- this started as when we were first dating, he made me spagetti bolognese, a meal I had never before prepared (just had marina, as not as much of a meat eater). Fast foward a few years and we're living together, and I find him asking me how to make it! I was flabbergasted, and reminded him he had taught it to me. So definitely not learning his one remaining specialty, even though it is quite tasty.

playmobil - He sort of described it ("It's got mince, and vegetables, and mash on top, sometimes cheese too...") and I recognised it ("Oh, you mean cottage pie?"). I've made it before, but because he's allergic to the standard flavouring (Worchestershire sauce), I've had to experiment and it's either come out tasting wrong and/or too liquidy or too dry. This time I finally hit on the right combination, had the thought to write it down before I forgot what I put in, so I can make it again.

puntastic - I've learned recently that difficulty decision-making is actually a symptom of CFS/ME, as I'd posted in AIBU complaining about his lack of ability in this area generally and was later accused of drip-feeding as I hadn't mentioned the CFS/ME! I had no idea they were connected. But it does make things make more sense to realise it's a symptom. I can make sure to not try to ask for decisions when he's in a slump, be more forgiving then, etc. Also realising that just deciding for him about warming up leftovers will just make it easier for both of us.

breaking - my soups sometimes sit frozen for 6 months or more Blush. I remember using the last of my Xmas carcass soup (my, that sounds appetizing...) one July. But that's because DH won't eat soup, and given the overflow of leftovers we have, I don't get to my special foods very often.

Thanks for the continued comments. Actually checking in as I've taken some steps: DH has been away this weekend, and I bought a fridge whiteboard that was delivered Sat. Last week I told him I was trying to plan meals AND leftovers for him, and trying to do it a few weeks ahead so that if I get behind we're not suddenly making the same thing all the time again. He said he expected it to last about a week, but as I've gotten three weeks planned already, it should last at least three :)

When I included his leftovers in the planning (e.g., trying to keep him from eating the same thing too many times in a row, and also trying to make sure he wasn't faced with 'second tier' foods too much), I found it quite difficult to make it all work. So it did make me think that I was probably a bit U about wanting him to just eat what was there. I also got some parameters from him, that he's willing to have a leftover from from a 'second tier' food "maybe once". I'm working that in, and planning to immediately freeze servings for me later.

So he's knows the planning was happening, and the whiteboard should just be a natural extension. I've put up on the whiteboard: the upcoming dinners for week, including a note to myself about when I need to make sure I have a grocery order delivered for the ingredients; a fridge section with leftovers and tags about who they're for and a suggestion of day; a freezer section with leftovers and tags (all me, of course). I've also included cooking ingredients (like I pre-chopped pizza toppings today and put them in the fridge for tomorrow) in the fridge/freezer sections, too. I'm hoping that this will (in addition to being actually useful for me!) make it seem like something for both of us, and not just a pointed "Eat, this, you!" notice.

He'll be home late tonight, so I'll see tomorrow how it goes over. And I suppose a week or so as to how it all works. Wish me luck!

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expatinscotland · 25/10/2015 21:38

Jesus wept! I'm exhausted just reading that and I don't have CFS/ME. Stop chasing after him like this! He's an adult. I'd leave all the lunch to him from now on, including shopping.

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Gobbolinothewitchscat · 25/10/2015 21:58

Oh My God - I'm totally confused by the whole system. Maybe you need to see it in practice. Also, how big is this whiteboard?! It must be massive to contain all of that info.

Can he make breakfast for himself? If so, why not lunch? Can't you just get ham/cheese etc and let him get on with it? Please don't take this the wrong way but do you think you could be suffering from some kind of anxiety that's manifesting itself in this issue? I just cannot work out how your DH is fit to have sole charge of a toddler but can't sort out his own lunch?

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Gobbolinothewitchscat · 25/10/2015 22:00

Also, where is he? You said he would be home later. Presumably he's out unaccompanied. What will he have done for food if he's missed a meal at your house? My point is: he's well enough to go out unaccompanied and make food choices presumably? So he doesn't need all this assistance re: lunch

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murmuration · 25/10/2015 22:14

Really? Is just reading it that's complicated? Or the whole idea?

I've definitely seen other people in MN talk about how they have a 'weekly menu' posted in their house. I've seen similar in several friends houses.

All I'm doing is adding to the weekly menu a bit about what meals are sitting in the fridge/freezer at the moment. It's only an A4, and there's plenty of whitespace left!

He's at a work-thing, so will be eating in resturants or catered meals. He can manage to get himself to a resturant if out and about. When completely on his own, his does make a lot of use of takeaways and resturants (with a take-home leftover for the next day); that's just not economical for a solution for a family, even if as a bachelor he had apparently made it work long-term.

He has a terrible breakfast, but he does get it himself. I just make sure one or two items for him are available in the house - usually either toast with jam or cereal. Right back before I got pregnant with DD, I actually had been leaving him breakfast platters in the fridge as he noticed how much better he felt during the day when he ate at a hotel's continental breakfast. But I just can't manage that now, and so he's on his own there.

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overthemill · 25/10/2015 22:21

murmuration I'm very sympathetic to the CFS/ME issue as I have a dd who can barely eat because if it. And the brain fog that comes with severe CFS/ME does really reduce ability to make decisions/ choose.

It feels like you are giving him too much choice. He needs to eat at lunchtime and in the evenings. So does your dc. You aren't always a round and in the evening because of your own health issues you often don't eat anyway. I would meal plan - don't call it leftovers, call it lunch or dinner! You can't manage getting stuff out of freezer now? Can he? If you leave a note for him to get something out in the morning perhaps? I leave sellotaped notes all over the house! What about batch cooking with a slow cooker 3 meals over a weekend and freezing them in one person sizes ( big enough for them both). And label and number them so you eat in order of when to use up by. Some days could be a boiled egg and toast ( type of lunches). Can he do those?

When I cared for my ex who was bipolar I left breakfast lunch (and dinner if I had to work late) in the fridge plated up and labelled with an arm that went off at meal times. It kind of worked ok!

Do come back, happy to try to think of ways to help

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Gobbolinothewitchscat · 25/10/2015 22:51

You're doing very well to get three such detailed sections on an A4 white board. I do meal plan but this seems hideously complicated as I just note down what I'm doing on my phone and cook it. I don't have it written down in any public area. I understand why you need to but I still just cannot get my head round someone being left in sole charge of a toddler and who can go out to work dos and restaurants but they can't make themselves a sandwich or a piece of toast. I feel this is a huge burden for you and I'm Shock at making him a breakfast platter. Again, there just seems to be such a dichotomy between his capabities.

I agree with not calling the meals leftovers - I think that's a really good idea. Further to that, does your DH have any suggestions as to how to manage this?

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MarmaladeBasedProtectionRacket · 25/10/2015 23:09

I am totally with Gobbolinothewitchscat on this - he has a job, he goes out & about for work related purposes, he has sole charge of a toddler - but you can't trust him to make a sandwich for lunch? You lost me with the breakfast platter......

My view, and I may be missing the point, is a lot of the advice you were given, was to get him to own the problem of lunches and take responsibility for himself if he didn't want your leftovers. I don't see how your over the top planning will achieve this - it is still your problem to organize, to remember to shop, to trouble shoot - it's infantilizing him not getting him to take this on at all.

I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, I get that he has an illness and his functional capabilities may fluctuate in relation to that, but I can't get my head around someone managing to do solo childcare but not make a sandwich or get some crackers and fruit for themselves.

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Ledkr · 25/10/2015 23:16

Is it just me wondering why he cannot knock up the odd meal himself?
I know nothing of CFS or ME but I've cooked meals through 5 difficult pregnancies, recovery from numerous surgeries and 6 months of chemo.
In fact Ive found cooking a simple meal easier than caring for a 3 year old.

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Floralnomad · 25/10/2015 23:39

My dd has CFS ,and has had for 4/5 yrs , she couldn't cater for herself but then she couldn't go away for a weekend for 'work' or look after a small child either .What therapy is your husband doing to treat his CFS ?

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trollkonor · 26/10/2015 00:15

Agree with Goblin and Marmalade.

Have you made it very clear how much work it is for you to organize, shop and cook, and everytime one of those meals goes to waste how much extra work that makes for you and how much money is chucked away? To him its probably a bit meh didnt fancy that today. For you its always thinking, always planning, always cooking and then the thinking doesnt stop, you need to second guess on top.

I meal plan with my husband, its a simple list. I dont eat much meat, my husband doesnt cope with dairy, one child loves saucy food, the other loves dry food but we do it. On Saturday I cooked myself a batch of tomato and pasta soup, today I didnt much fancy it but I ate it anyway because i didn't get it in the freezer, I have to eat it tomorrow too ecause its cooked and there. Poor me! It's just lunch. My husband does the ironing in the mornng and I make packed lunches for everyone, myself included when not in between contracts. It may not always be what I fancied, or what he was in the mood for fuck it. Its lunch, its stuff you can eat.

If he's not going to play a part in planning then he needs to just get on with it. For the both of them get bread, get cold meat or cheese, get tomato, get yogurt and banana.

Not perfect but one of those quaker oats cuppa add water things or horlicks if he needs an easy filling hot snack.

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HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 26/10/2015 00:26

What does he do to loo after you now that you have health issues too?

Have you made it very clear how much work it is for you to organize, shop and cook, and every time one of those meals goes to waste how much extra work that makes for you and how much money is chucked away? To him its probably a bit meh didn't fancy that today. For you its always thinking, always planning, always cooking and then the thinking doesn't stop, you need to second guess on top.

^^ This.

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HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 26/10/2015 00:27

*look after you

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 26/10/2015 00:54

Why not, instead of freezing/saving whole meals, save the components individually? Ie: cook veg and mash or roast potatoes, or part bake potatoes, and then freeze those in pots so that he can heat up and mix with other pots of the saved stew or bolognese or whatever. He could then have some variety such as open a tin of corned beef, or make bubble and squeak. You'd have to label things clearly. I've just done this in prep for having a baby and it's been so nice to go to the freezer and be able to choose a healthy meal instead of something breaded. Others that freeze well are caulk/broccoli cheese, curries etc

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trollkonor · 26/10/2015 01:22

I really do have lots of sympathy fo you both, it must be fucking hard both being ill.

You said he always ate a poor breakfast but you always make sure toast and cereal are on offer. These are staple european or american breaskfast offerings, in various forms, and what many people start the day and go to work on. Yes I have, dawdled down the cereal and bread segments of supermarkets in many countries. You say he is better on a hotel continental brekkie. Why? Of course you can eat utter crap at one ;) Is it the waking up well before eating. Is it sticking to more of the protein laden eggs and meat, or a yogurt and fresh fruit. Or both but fewer carbs. Or carbs and protein, or carbs and fibre. Or? Cured meat can be full of crap even if they are french or german ;) but its protein like bacon and eggs. I think he needs to say what it is that makes him feel better . The nutritional content? The having it all laid out for whatever he fancies at that moment?

You can boil eggs and leave them in cold water overnight. He can take out the next morning and serve with rye or white bread. Grab a yogurt and bit of fruit. Generic cereal and slother something in Nutella. There you have it the very very basic hotel breakfast.

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annoyedofnorwich · 26/10/2015 01:26

Wow. Stop micromanaging him and running yourself ragged. What a load of unnecessary effort. No wonder he's acting so pathetic if you pander to him like that.

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PacificMouse · 26/10/2015 07:47

I have a similar meal planning system in our kitchen. The reason is that I work late so DH is the one to do the meals in the evening, for him and the dcs. I take leftovers with me at work.
I am also the one to do the menu and shopping.
As DH is the one cooking most evenings, I do ask him what he would like or if he is happy to do x or y. When we started, DH had a very limited range if meals he could cook and I'm afraid my answer has been 'its in the recipie is in the book' (I put all the recipies we like in a notebook to be able to find them again easily).

IMO, he has a choice when you do the menu, not later. (And you aren't controlling to have a menu and to ask him to stick to it either because you've asked him his input). It might be that, at that time, making a choice is hard for him. But then surely, the fact he doesn't have to make a choice later on should compensate for that?
I'm pretty sure your system will work because basically it's putting on paper what you have been in your head, hidden from him, until now. I really would point that out to him!!

What does work well for us is a list of meals we enjoy. We use that 'list' (of staple meals) to do the menu and then make a point if having something different at the weekend when we have more time. If something new works then it goes on the 'staple meals list'. Maybe that could work for you too so you have a list of meals he enjoys and you can rotate them.

As an ME sufferer, I would say that he us choosing where to spend his energy. Food isn't his thing, fair enough, but at the same time, he isn't taking responsibility to look after his own diet. Now you will know as much as I do that diet IS an essential part of feeling 'well' with ME. So it leads to a next question. What does he do to look after himself or is he relying on you more or less completely for that too?
And why isn't he willing to spend some energy with food when he will know it's so important forhim to feel well?

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minimalist000001 · 26/10/2015 07:53

The simple answer is freezing the left overs. Labelling them and letting your DH pull out the one he wants, defrosting, then cooking.

If you find you have more then 8 meals in the freezer, stop making extra.

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PacificMouse · 26/10/2015 07:54

Another question for me is that one:
If he is sensitive to many foods and has to avoid them to the extend that you can't ever buy takeaways/already prepared foods, how on earth is he coping with going out to a restaurant?? And lived on takeaways as a bachelor (and would be happy to do that again if he could financially)?
That makes me wonder about his sensitivity to foods and his inability to choose (how does he manage to choose from the menu?)? I have to say, it makes me think he is difficult more than having real issues there...:(:(

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PacificMouse · 26/10/2015 07:55

mini her DH doesn't like leftovers that have been frozen 'as they taste different'
I agree that would make things 100x easier....,

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