A cheese and onion pastry is not junk food

[Cheesepastymum]

Mil thinks it is. However is contains three veg (potato, leek and onion) and dairy for calcium.

That surely.means it isn't junk right? It has a lot of good stuff.

You need educating for the sake of your children! Oh fuck me, that's hilarious! Priceless.

Cross posted.
Brilliant follow up justification.
There's no difference at all between fats and carbs from pastry are totes as good as every other carb obvs.

I love a double, or even triple, carbing. It's delicious, often with fat and keeps the cold out. I'm not kidding myself it's healthy though because I showed it an onion.

Your pasty well it has lots of great nutrients for a growing child. Unfortunately it is associated with junk due to Greggs etc.

It would be interesting to see how many people commenting on this thread today have indeed fed both themselves and their DC a clean diet today...........(aka veg & meat)

Op you forgot to put light hearted in your title.

Some people are very very literal.

They are delicious, and I wouldnt say outright they are junk food, but I would think of them as something more on the junk side of the scale than the healthy side.

Mainly because I believe the amounts of veg inside are much less than 1 portion of veg, and the pastry and cheese is very high in calories and fat for the quantity of actual food you are getting.

Well if it's posh cheese that's ok then

Oh is it a joke thread?

God I miss cheese and onion pasties - especially from Greggs. I hate being middle aged and on a permanent diet. It's my birthday tomorrow - I may just treat myself

Food threads should all be banned after 9pm when there is the potential that a pregnant woman could read it! Someone must go and get me a cheese and onion pasty right now!
Alternatively I'll settle for cheesy chips and a can of ice cold Dr Pepper.
Now what was the question again....

But peas are carb heavy! ....I hate what I've become.

cheese and butter

must be talking about homemade as there's minimal butter in a shop bought pasty. Palm oil all the way.

Op they are yummy, but they don't come close to even a teeny bit of 1 of your 5 a day. Pasties are fantastic but not stacked with the "good stuff"
like you making them into brain food though!

kids will be fine. it's celery and hummus fir the next week and a half though

Look I'm the last to demonise food, I hate the posts on social media about aspartame, Coke stripping off rust (yes, citric acid will do that, rub a lemon on it) and McDonalds scaremongering. But a cheese and onion pasty sort of is junk or if you don't want to call it that, all filler no killer.

Its not so much what it has in it than what it doesn't - potato, leek, onion, in the quantities that it has, barely register. (Did you know potato doesn't count as one of your 5 a day? Even a jacket potato baked in your oven at home?)

So take that cheese and onion pastry and put a slice of it with a side salad and its not so bad. Take a whole big one and it kind of gives you such an energy density whack with so little fibre or nutrition that no it won't kill you, and yes it will fill you, IF you need filling - (if you don't burn it you store it) - as a one off or occasional, fine. But in terms of long term nutrition, it gives little other than a big energy whack that you then have to burn off, and leaves you lacking some fibre and micronutrients that you will then want to get from elsewhere for optimum health.

They are the kind of things that manual workers can totally get away with eating regularly with no ill real effects if their cholesterol is not prone to being high and they are not genetically at risk of cardiovascular disease. Cheap, satisfying, tasty.

The rest of us, as on occasional "treat", fine, if you are out and about and its the only think you want or can afford, if you aren't fat, don't have high cholesterol, constipation, gastric reflux, etc etc...sure.

Not worth clutching your pearls about if you get one once a month when out in town and you don't want to sit down somewhere and faff about and leave a tip or whatever...

You get my drift.

It's junk. This reminds me of when we watched a cooking show with my mum, and a woman made a german dish of noodles, cheese and onion. My Mum -who mostly eats McDonalds- exclaimed "That's disgusting! The only goodness in it is the cheese"

It is junk food but of the better kind, better than mc ds or kfc

I eat a pretty balanced diet and would happily eat a naive cheese pasty for my dinner.

I'm loving 'naive cheese pasty' in the context of the OP's post:

What's wrong with the carbs a d fat? Both carbs and fat are healthy, your brain wouldn't function with out fat.

it would be interesting to see how many people commenting on this thread today have indeed fed both themselves and their DC a clean diet today...........(aka veg & meat)

Haven't eaten meat for 26 years, but today have had:

*2 fried eggs with mushrooms
*tuna mayo with carrot, gherkin and red onion, raw broccoli with homemade Caesar dressing
*butternut squash and chilli soup with strong cheddar to dip
*handful of Brazil nuts

Foods where the carb/sugar level and the fat level are equal are the dangerous ones. Eg cheesecake, glazed doughnuts and probably pasties. The fat doesn't make you feel full because of the equal amount of sugar, so you'll tend to eat more.

Do you work for Greggs?

So how much sugar is there in a cheese and onion pasty then?

It's processed convenience food. I tend to stay away from pastry as it's always made from low nutrition white flour. The butter and veg are good though.

dodo in a Greggs 1.6g of sugar, Sainsbury's 1.8g and Tesco's 2.3g (there or there abouts). The more processed you go the more additives you tend to find, including bumping up salt and added sugars.
A pasty isn't going to be equivalent to a can of coke and that sort of comparison wasn't my intent but it's still being consumed in the place of something better.

Carbohydrates are long chains of simple sugars and the basis of good carbs vs bad carbs is the length of these chains - good or complex carbohydrates vs bad or simple carbohydrates. This is how 'carbs' have been distilled in order to be accessible to the greatest number of people. Good and bad, it's a slightly bigger picture than that though, but yes white flour pastry wrapped around a peeled potato will contain a higher sugar and lower fibre ratio than is ideal.

Fruit and veg are simple carbohydrates but the fibre in them means they act more like the longer to break down complex carbs.
Pastry is not known for it's high fibre content. Bar my mother's wholemeal pastry which was probably technically wood.
So more of the bad stuff and less of the good stuff gram for gram as a protein & veg meal.
Yes we need carbs and fat but cheesy chips can't be argued to be as good for you as a mixed bean, grain, veg salad with avocado or nuts etc.
Hence, I suspect, the response of 'it's definitely on the kinky spectrum' but fine in a moderate and balanced diet.
If that makes my sugar position any clearer. I didn't mean it was like eating a Haribo sandwich.

I should preview. By kinky spectrum I actually meant junky I don't want to know what that says about my autocorrect.

It's very much junk food however you dress it up, carb, fat & stodge overload but tastes great so every now & then, sod em