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most people that claim to be animal lovers are hugely hypocritical

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unlucky4marie · 29/07/2015 19:35

My sm is awash with people declaring themselves animal lovers and outraged by that lion. However I know that many of them eat regularly cheap meat and don't give a fuck about where it comes from.

Yes the lion thing is sad,but knowing what goes on every single day to provide people with vast amount s of cheap meat is millions of times worse. Maybe its just the UK where people are that hypocritical and everyone claims to be an animal lover. But actually they only care about a few cute animals that you would see in a zoo and happily stock up on bargain meat without a second thought.

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maninawomansworld · 31/07/2015 16:13

The killing of Cecil the Lion has caused global uproar. The perpetrator, a 55-year-old US dentist Mr Palmer, has received death threats, been forced into hiding and has closed his dental practice in Minneapolis. Protesters have gathered there, leaving stuffed animals and holding signs, including one that said: "Let the hunter be hunted", as police stepped up patrols.

But let us be clear, irrespective of your views on big game hunting this was not illicit wildlife poaching or trafficking, it was a legal and licensed hunt that went wrong. There are a few facts about hunting in Africa that are not being made clear by the politically correct, the urban thought police, the BBC and the media at large.

Humans have hunted since the beginning of our species. Indeed some follow the hunting hypothesis i.e. that human evolution was primarily influenced by the activity of hunting and this activity distinguished human ancestors from other primates and was responsible for our evolution.

But what of animal welfare? In 1989 US Aid began funding the CAMPFIRE Program The CAMPFIRE program aims to build the capacity of local African authorities to manage natural resources and wildlife in order to increase incomes of rural people and to help them provide for basic needs of their communities. The theory behind this is to place a commercial value on game, which in turn is paid back to the communities as revenue. The communities then protect this resource rather than facilitate poaching.

Since the inception of CAMPFIRE, USAID notes that land in Zimbabwe (where Cecil's killing took place) dedicated to conservation has more than doubled; to over 30% of the country, and that the elephant population has increased from under 50,000 to over 65,000. This period also saw the banning of the ivory trade under CITES, which is also credited with the reduction in the killing of elephants not only in Zimbabwe, but also in all of Africa.

90% of revenues generated by CAMPFIRE are from leasing sport hunting concessions to commercial safari operators. Sport hunting involves a wide array of animals. About two-thirds of this sport hunting revenue is from the licenses to hunt elephants, but Lions are also included. These animals are usually part of natural cull programme designed to match the animal population with the resources. USAID also says that such sport hunting licenses are strictly controlled and monitored by local authorities, and that revenues go directly to Rural District Councils, who decide both how the money is to be raised (whether to allow and manage sport hunting, for example), and how it is to be spent.

It is this system of sport hunting licenses that WENT WRONG and not Mr Palmer. The manipulation of these events is being used by those with an animal rights agenda and as is often the case animal rights should not be mistaken for animal welfare.

Critics of CAMPFIRE argue that U.S. tax dollars should not be used to support hunting in any way. Proponents of the program argue that by providing local communities with the means to participate in the benefits of wildlife management, including sport hunting, it gives local farmers incentives not to kill animals that eat or damage their crops. Thus, they argue, the program is an important means of addressing the conflicts between growing human populations practicing agriculture on communally owned lands, and wild animals that have destroyed crops and sometimes killed humans--conflicts that have led to the killing of elephants and the wide scale participation in and acceptance of illegal poaching on the part of the communities that might otherwise protect these animals.

The success of the animals under this program has been clearly evidenced but it seems there are many who would rather see the decline in habitat and of the animals than allow sport hunting which offends their urban politically correct sentiment.

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Shakey1500 · 31/07/2015 10:53

I'm sure the lion is really pleased it was tortured, brutalised and then shot so people can get on the Internet and have a I'm soooooo much more ethical than you jerk off.

This made me howl Smile

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Roseformeplease · 30/07/2015 22:46

Or butter. And bread.

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DixieNormas · 30/07/2015 21:36

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Roseformeplease · 30/07/2015 21:27

I love animals, but only with gravy.

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Degustibusnonestdisputandem · 30/07/2015 21:20
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crustsaway · 30/07/2015 21:17

Thats because they only like "their" animal. Same way as some parents that have kids only like their own too.

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Degustibusnonestdisputandem · 30/07/2015 21:15

What about all the small animals killed as a result of broad acre cropping? Wink

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unlucky4marie · 30/07/2015 20:55

At least the lion had many many years of roaming in the wild and a small time in pain.

Battery farm chickens live for a few weeks, covered in shit, fed antibiotics , locked up, no natural light and have a high level of stress.

But hey its peoples rights to eat cheap meat, and as long as its all nicely presented in the supermarket they can ignore all the cruelty that went into it.

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Sparklingbrook · 30/07/2015 20:53

Is this thread still going? Confused

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unlucky4marie · 30/07/2015 20:50

Rich person kills animal for no good reason

Rich people produce meat cheaply to sell at a profit to people to poor to afford the luxury of ethical meat.

The scummy poor should of course become vegetarians. And the rich should eat naice meat.

I'm sure the lion is really pleased it was tortured, brutalised and then shot so people can get on the Internet and have a I'm soooooo much more ethical than you jerk off.


Hmm I'm actually worried you think like this.

Poor people who never go hungry have a right to eat meat that involves huge amounts suffering and cruelty and generally a miserable life indoors with limited space and stressed. Because someone who never goes hungry has the pleasure to eat something nice trumps animals rights?

Guy kills animal for pleasure, people eat for pleasure.

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AllThePrettySeahorses · 30/07/2015 20:35

I'm vegetarian and think it was wrong to kill the lion.

But I don't like animals very much cos they are smelly (looking at you, pet cat with the runs Envy) so where do I stand on the hypocrite scale?

Anyway, it's better to care about something than nothing so what lilacblossomtime and HoneyDragon said.

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HoneyDragon · 30/07/2015 20:30

Rich person kills animal for no good reason

Rich people produce meat cheaply to sell at a profit to people to poor to afford the luxury of ethical meat.

The scummy poor should of course become vegetarians. And the rich should eat naice meat.

I'm sure the lion is really pleased it was tortured, brutalised and then shot so people can get on the Internet and have a I'm soooooo much more ethical than you jerk off.

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lilacblossomtime · 30/07/2015 20:23

But wouldn't it be better if people who were (rightly imo) bothered about the cruel killing of a magnificent endangered lion, then start to think about keeping farm animals in much better conditions. Saying you have to be a vegan or you have no entitlement to care about animal welfare and the conservation of our wild creatures is quite wrong. We need to raise awareness of these issues and get people to care about farm animal welfare.

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WilburIsSomePig · 30/07/2015 20:22

OP would you please answer the question answered a couple of times. Are you vegan?

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 30/07/2015 20:09

PEACE AND LOVE PEOPLE and animals

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PressEscape · 30/07/2015 19:18

Exactly. Eating meat is killing animals for pleasure. Except you actually pay someone else to do the killing for you.

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unlucky4marie · 30/07/2015 18:23

I love animals and I eat meat.
I don't kill animals for pleasure.


Animals are killed for your pleasure to eat, not seeing the difference. Same end result.

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RosePetels · 30/07/2015 18:19

I love animals and I eat meat.
I don't kill animals for pleasure.

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hackmum · 30/07/2015 18:16

Shakey1500: "I'm still sad about the lion though. So where does that put me?"

It probably makes you quite normal. I think it's one thing to feel sad about the lion and another to hurl all manner of abuse at the man who killed it, with people saying they wish he could be flayed alive and that kind of thing. I think if you're going to make that kind of moral judgement about people, then you do need to have your own house in order.

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Andrewofgg · 30/07/2015 18:11

DoeEyedNear The sooner the malaria mosquito is not just endangered but extinct the better. Agree?

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PressEscape · 30/07/2015 18:08

I agree, OP.

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RaskolnikovsGarret · 30/07/2015 17:56

I know this isn't the point of this thread, but my annoyance is with 'animal lovers' who are happy to have pets and keep them locked up all day without walking them/keeping them company. I am not a fan of pets/animals in general, but I can't abide it when I hear pets barking/wailing inside houses, as it seems so cruel. How can people neglect animals? Or keep a bird caged up? Maybe ironically I am more of an animal lover despite not actually liking them particularly myself.

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HayDayRookie · 30/07/2015 17:51

unlucky I 100% agree with you.

"Oh,look at the cute animal,let's put it in a pie"

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unlucky4marie · 30/07/2015 17:50

Yup, I eat cheap meat. I'm skint. If I could afford it, I'd only eat animals raised on a farm, allowed to graze all day in the sunshine.

What do you think I should do, live off air and rainbows?


Your only choice is eating products that inflict cruelty and suffering or starving?

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