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AIBU?

to be in tears about HMRC?

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commuterville · 23/06/2015 13:03

Long story short, last year I received a penalty letter. I was really worried, called up about it, spoke to a couple of people who reassured me, said I didn't owe anything and told me what I needed to do re self assessment (have been put onto that due to being a higher rate taxpayer and in receipt of CB). So 2 people telling me I didn't owe anything was good enough for me. Self assessment filed, all ok. Apparently.

Now I've had correspondence saying I owe a 4 figure sum. I spent an hour on the phone, most of it on hold, to query it only to be told I have to appeal, which will take up to 4 months and I'll be charged interest in the meantime as well.

I'm lucky (haha) in that I can pay it but it will completely wipe out money I'd put aside for my DC and a holiday. Have been crying in the loos about it. This is just the latest shitty thing to happen this year - never ending list of jobs to do in my house, teen DC being 'challenging', my bf got diagnosed with cancer (but is clear for now thankfully), my job is a nightmare and I've recently found out I'm being paid £10k or more less than my workshy colleague (who works from home all the time, which I'm not allowed to). Frankly this feels like the last straw.

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Marynary · 24/06/2015 08:46

It has changed then. I was definitely told (a few years ago) that I wouldn't be fined for a late return if I didn't owe anything.

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commuterville · 24/06/2015 08:49

Apparently they can now fine you thousands even if you owe nothing.

Or in my case, tell you there won't be a fine and not to worry about the letter, and then fine you anyway.

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Marynary · 24/06/2015 08:53

I'm confused. If you don't owe any money then why do you need to fill in a tax return?

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pudcat · 24/06/2015 08:58

I would write to the guy at Money Mail in the Daily Mail or Mail on Sunday. Tony Hetherington. e is very good at sorting problems like these out.

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ClashCityRocker · 24/06/2015 09:02

mary they scrapped that around 2008, I beleive.

And if a tax return is issued, it has to be filled in or penalties will apply. You can ring them and try to get them to remove the requirement to file a return. Often it's the case that they don't know if you owe money or not until you have filled in a return.

OP, if you are in receipt of child benefit but earn less than 50k, you shouldn't be required to fill in a tax return. This will add strength to your argument.

In your letter, use the words 'reasonable excuse'', 'causing distress' and 'official complaint'. This might hurry things up a bit. You have certainly got a reasonable excuse and I would be very surprised if the penalty was left to stand.

The interest is 3% per annum, so even if you left it for a year you would be looking at around £30 - £40 - which is probably not worth not being able to go on holiday for.

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19lottie82 · 24/06/2015 09:02

I've had plenty of dealings with HMRC before, and they are a total nightmare. You just get passed between different people in different offices and get told totally different things.

You need to write to their COMPLAINTS department and put everything in writing about how you've been told different things and you're very stressed out and don't understand what's going on, due to not being able to get any consistent and clear info, despite your many attempts.

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Marynary · 24/06/2015 09:05

mary they scrapped that around 2008, I beleive.

Oh, that explains it (I last did a return in about 2008).

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OnlyLovers · 24/06/2015 09:12

I'd write to one of the money pages in the papers. The Guardian are good.

And also write to their complaints department. Tell them what you've told us about being told twice you didn't owe anything etc.

Good luck.

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MrsSchadenfreude · 24/06/2015 09:13

You have my sympathies, OP, they are indeed a nightmare. I had four tax codes last year (two of which were in the last two months of the financial year), I had a rebate, and then a demand for exactly the same amount, then another rebate, and then a demand for a bit more money. They now assure me that it is "all sorted", but I'm not entirely convinced...

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kungfupannda · 24/06/2015 09:35

HMRC are frighteningly incompetent.

DP has been doing a tax return for the last few years. One year he had almost no tax to pay because of allowable deductions and a rebate - it came to 7p. He paid it, and obviously had a record of it being paid.
They then sent a demand for 7p - and a fine for not filing his return and not paying the 7p owed.

He obviously contacted them and pointed out that
a) he had a record of payment, and
b) if he'd never filed the return, how did they know he owed them 7p?!

They agreed with this and said they'd wiped the fines.

Then another pair of fines arrived - for more this time.

He contacted them again, and this time they said they had no record of payment and he definitely hadn't filed his return. When he again asked how they'd reached the 7p calculation, they said it was from his tax return. The one he hadn't filed. They managed to simultaneously accept that he had filed his return for purposes of pointing out that he owed them 7p and they were going to fine him for not paying it, and deny that he'd filed his return for the purposes of fining him for that Confused

He eventually got them to remove the fines on the condition that he payed the 7p again. He paid it. They tried to fine him a third time.

He then started sending sarcastic letters. One of them had 7p in coppers taped inside the envelope. They eventually graciously agreed to waive the fines 'just this once.'

It was epic Grin

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Bakeoffcake · 24/06/2015 10:01

Oh I hope you get it sorted. I'm sure if you follow the advice on here, you will be ok. They can't tell you one thing on the phone then fine you because you followed their adviceHmm

If you don't get any joy I'd also go to citizens advice or you could threaten WatchDog, Or Radio 4s- You and Yours or The Money Programme are very good at helping people.

If I were you, (and some people might disagree) I'd go on holiday and spend the money. If they do end up charging you, which I'm sure they won't, they will have to take it in instalments.

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Fauxlivia · 24/06/2015 10:34

Don't just accept that you owe this. HMRC couldn't find their own arse with both hands, so you probably don't.

My advice is to always get everything confirmed in writing. Never just accept what they say on the phone. Different departments will tell you any old bollocks different things. Write letters and get them sent recorded delivery.

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