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Farmer fired shots over my head, what if anything can I do?

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unexpectedplaces · 16/05/2015 23:21

Can I ask if anyone knows if this is illegal or not in relation to a right of way across a farmers' land?

To explain what happened and give context. I was walking my dog through a field full of sheep and lambs, dog was at my heel the whole time (no issue whatsoever with the livestock) and we were then away from the sheep and heading for a kissing gate which is where the right of way footpath leads. It crosses a small field and ends up in a village, you can also veer to the left of the kissing gate and continue through the same field ending up at the same point near the village.

I elected to take the left hand path which is about 2 feet away from the official path but divided by a hedge because the small field with the footpath was full of sheep and lambs resting by the gate - I didn't want to disturb them.

I was walking into the sunlight so couldn't see properly but could just about make out a figure a short distance away, a shot was fired into the air followed by 3 more as I walked the length of the hedge. I was really quite worried and hurried through the gate at the end whereupon the shots stopped.

I believe that the gun was either a rifle or a shotgun as the report was pretty loud.

I appreciate that I was off the official footpath strictly speaking but was doing so for purely altruistic reasons (of course he didn't know that).

Should I take this further or was the farmer within his rights? I wish he had just approached me and I could have explained what I was doing and why. The whole incident was pretty unnerving if I'm honest.

Have spoken to a couple of locals who say that the farmer is well known for getting irate about people walking off the right of way.

Any advice please gratefully received

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londonrach · 17/05/2015 09:02

Toby...its addictive mn... Anyway this is not part of the post. Sorry op.

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unexpectedplaces · 17/05/2015 09:08

Thank you to all those being supportive, I appreciate everyone's comments though.

I cannot stress enough how under control the dog was, I know you only have my word for it but he really is extremely obedient. Anyone watching would have seen that immediately.

I was probably off the 'proper' right of way for about 100 yards. The sheep were well behind me, all those saying I was 'mad' we had walked through the very unbothered sheep some time back. I had no choice but to walk through them as they were on and around the footpath. The next section of footpath which was also covered in resting sheep I felt that I could avoid disturbing by going briefly to the left of the hedge.

No of course I cannot say categorically that the shots were fired because of my action but given that it coincided with my removing myself from the right of way and the subsequent history that I've obtained re the farmer than it is the conclusion that I have had to come to. I would be very happy to be proved wrong to be honest because it is a much more comforting thought to think he was shooting rabbits than a walker who strayed two foot from the right of way for a couple of minutes.

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IvyBean · 17/05/2015 09:13

Why wasn't your dog on a lead?

There are signs everywhere during this season instructing dogs to be on leads with the consequences spelt out.

A dog off a lead will worry sheep with lambs.It may not worry you but sheep have brains the size of a pea.Said farmer will know his own animals on his land and doesn't know yours.Dogs cause lots of damage during this season.

A bit of empathy and consideration during this season on land belonging to others wouldn't go amiss and perhaps you should stick to footpaths.You could have turned back.

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IvyBean · 17/05/2015 09:14

There are nesting birds( perhaps not in view) to consider too.

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exLtEveDallasNoBollocks · 17/05/2015 09:15

Have you bothered to read the thread Ivy?

If you had you'd see that by turning back the OP would have been walking back into a field of sheep, but by continuing on she wasn't.

It's not a long thread. Why on earth do people do this?

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unexpectedplaces · 17/05/2015 09:18

Ivy there are no signs anywhere as it happens, that doesn't not make me not sheep aware though and I took a considered decision re the lead. Please read the thread though for further clarification as to the other circumstances surrounding the incident though as I don't believe it was actually about the sheep.

No nesting birds, big flat green field full of grass. There is a little nature reserve a mile or so away that I always keep said dog on lead for. Hth.

Thank you Eve Smile.

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Mistigri · 17/05/2015 09:21

Let us know what the police say!

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exLtEveDallasNoBollocks · 17/05/2015 09:22

That's Ok unexpected. I have a dog that doesn't need a lead too and it amuses me how many people are horrified/don't believe me.

I was also part of an incident where I used to live whereby a farmer had his firearms licence revoked after indiscriminately firing it at dog walkers/soldiers going over his rented land, so I know more about this issue than I really want to iykwim.

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unexpectedplaces · 17/05/2015 09:23

Thank you I will Mistigri, I will give the local community officer a call tomorrow morning to inform. If they think I'm being ridiculous or if I am in the wrong then so be it. I promise I will update either way!

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unexpectedplaces · 17/05/2015 09:26

Ah that makes sense Eve. Scary stuff.

I totally understand that if my dog had been going mad, running amok amongst the sheep then he would have had every right to shoot him dead.

The dog wasn't doing anything of the sort though and the farmer (I suspect) couldn't have cared less about that aspect of my walk anyhow.

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Everythingsgonegreen · 17/05/2015 09:27

Dog should have been on lead.

Dogs have been shot around here for being off lead near sheep.

However farmer shouldn't be firing at you.

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bunchoffives · 17/05/2015 09:27

OP if you keep the dog on a lead elsewhere why on earth would you choose not to in a field of sheep. are you being deliberately goady

You have no NEED to go walking through sheep with your dog. Just DON'T do it.

If you want to walk your dog find a route without sheep.

It's not that complicated.

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WonderingWillow · 17/05/2015 09:27

Plenty of dogs don't need a lead Confused responsible owners who walk them once or twice a day are more likely to have dogs like that because they have a good relationship with the dog!

I would ring the police and outline the circumstances. There may well be an innocent explanation, but until you report you don't know.

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IvyBean · 17/05/2015 09:30

Sooooo you chose to walk a dog not on a lead through a field of lambs and sheep in lambing season.Hmm



Farmers don't know your dog intimately.

Any dog can get spooked.

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TheOriginalWinkly · 17/05/2015 09:31

Some of the responses on this thread are Shock

OP give 101 a call. Even if you were on his driveway stealing his car he has no right to fire shots, never mind walking through an empty field with a well controlled dog at heel!

(On a side note, how did you get your dog so well trained and would your method work on infants who speed up to get away faster when called? :) )

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unexpectedplaces · 17/05/2015 09:33

bunchoffives I'm not being goady at all, I have patiently explained the circumstances a fair few times now. I am totally surrounded by sheep as it happens so not a huge amount of choice and have walked for many years through said sheep without any incident whatsoever. In fact I recently helped a farmer to herd a number of reluctant sheep through a gate way with my dog - off lead. I just happened to be walking and could see that he was having trouble, funnily enough he didn't take a pot shot at me and was in fact grateful. I think that's because he was/is a normal sensible human being who summarised the behaviour of me and my dog in a moment and recognised that we posed no threat at all.

I have an excellent relationship with my dog, I'm at home all the time and walk him for hours.

Anyway, I don't think it was about the sheep. I had left the sheep behind some time back.

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TheOriginalWinkly · 17/05/2015 09:33

Ivy if the farmer was worried the dog would get spooked in an EMPTY field firing a gun is the oppsite of a good way to deal with the matter. The gun is more likely to spook the dogs I've known.

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unexpectedplaces · 17/05/2015 09:36

Ivy guess you've still not read the thread then?

TheOriginalWinkly I trained my dog with a 10 metre long lead when he was a puppy, let him run as far as he could and then stand on the lead whilst reinforcing the command to stay or come.

The other point here is that since he was a few weeks old he has been surrounded by livestock, sheep, cattle, horses so he has absolutely zero interest in them. Massive difference to someone bringing a dog into the country from a town.

I kept my children on reins too Grin!

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Coffeethrowtrampbitch · 17/05/2015 09:40

I'm really disturbed by this thread.

A person discharges a firearm at another human being. Potential to kill. Even if it wasn't aimed at the op, accidents happen and anyone responsible enough to have a firearms licence knows this.
Op sensibly enough asks if she should inform police, especially as person seems to have mental health problems and be possessed of the fanciful illusion that it is acceptable to discharge weapons at people to keep them on the path. (Yes op, police please asap, this person cannot be permitted a gun!)

MN response : Your dog should be on a lead, you and it deserve to be shot.

Unbelievable.

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CitrineRaindropPhoenix · 17/05/2015 09:54

I agree coffee.

The farmer is allowed to shoot dogs who are actually worrying sheep. Not at any other time.

Sadly it is more likely that the farmer really is very aggressive about use of the right of way. I spent some time enforcing public rights of way for a local authority which were clearly designated, signed and identified. I was threatened by farmers on a number of occasions. Luckily as I was working for the LA there was a lot of police support but a fair few of them ended up losing shot gun licences because of their behaviour.

Op, in future you might keep your dog on a lead just to make it clear, but trespass is not a criminal offence except in a very few circumstances whereas misuse of firearms always is. Please log it with the police.

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ConferencePear · 17/05/2015 09:57

OP you should report this incident to the police.
I'm dismayed that so many people on this thread have said that he was shooting at you when you made it clear he wasn't. Nevertheless, I'd be interested in his reason for firing four successive shots. I've done some shooting and I can assure you that if you fire one shot at rats, rabbits and pigeons the others don't sit around waiting for their turn. Four shots sounds more like an attempt to intimidate.
The police should take it seriously.

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Boardingblues · 17/05/2015 09:58

It seems to be that many of the responses to this thread and the headline are conflating the issue. OP says clearly that the shots were into the air, that she does not know if the shots were fired at her. However, she was frightened. So she should go to the police to see if she can find out what actually happened.

OP should also remember that she may know her dog, but others including the farmer and his sheep do not. A dog is a predator and will be viewed as such. She has no right to have a dog off the lead around any livestock. She has no defence in that matter.

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IvyBean · 17/05/2015 09:58

Again the farmer still doesn't know your dog or it's superior training programme.

Your dog can still get spooked.

Your dog may not worry you off a lead but it will worry the lambs,sheep and farmer regardless.

Around here there are signs everywhere saying dogs caught worrying sheep will be shot.

To the dramatists where is the evidence she was being shot at?

A dog being at large ie off a lead is classed as worrying.You committed an offence. In our area farmers have permission by police to shoot dogs worrying sheep and they warn owners that all dogs should be on leads.

I'm amazed op given your experience of the countryside that you haven't seen any such warnings anywhere.

//www.nationalsheep.org.uk

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Bakeoffcake · 17/05/2015 09:59

From the OP "Have spoken to a couple of locals who say that the farmer is well known for getting irate about people walking off the right of way"

Irate personalities and guns are not a good mixture. The police should be very interested in his behaviour.

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FrancesNiadova · 17/05/2015 10:05

I agree Coffee.
Firearms have to be used in a responsible manner.
The dog should have been on a lead.
That does not excuse the dangerous, hot-headed use of a firearm.
I would inform the police, he might have done similar things or worse, to other walkers. They might have a series of complaints, you just don't know.
Report the incident.

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