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to think our lovely family wont ever be the same now

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tigerpug · 24/07/2014 23:34

big dramatic title, perhaps less dramatic content (although not for me)

After a year or so of assessments, yesterday our lovely 3 yo DS was officially diagnosed with autism. My head is reeling. I knew that he was different to his peers from a very young age, but after years of reassuring comments like "boys will be boys" etc I honestly thought that I was overreacting/overthinking it all and that he wouldn't be diagnosed with autism.

Yesterday I was told that he will always be autistic, and that it would become more obvious and problematic when he starts school. I do wish the consultant had been a bit 'softer' in her approach, and that I had asked DH to come along with DS and I for support, but in a way I suppose it was a relief to put an end to the 'is he isn't he' debate that played in on a constant loop in my head.

DS is kind, happy, confident - perhaps overly so, which is the main cause for concern. He struggles with the social side of things, he gets overly excited and over confident, which I think causes other children at pre school etc to move away from him, I think he can be seen as an annoyance - loud and bouncy. We are new to the area and consequently I dont have a network of friends with children to conjure up throughout the holidays. He has no real friends, although is desperate for some. He asks about birthday parties, best friends etc, things he hears about but hasn't really been able to participate in. Thinking like this breaks my heart.

With 6 weeks ahead of us, I decided to take him and DS2 to the park today for him to let off steam. He approached a group of older children and straight away joined in their game of standing on the roundabout, whooping with happiness, constantly chatting and babbling and repeating certain phrases they were using (he does this a lot). They looked at him like he was mad, laughed at him, told him to stand on the roundabout and took it on turns to try and knock him off it (by pushing the roundabout faster and faster - before I had to intervene). They tired of the game and then just kept running away from him. He asked me where his new friends had gone. I am not a crier, I am rarely emotional. However, I sat at the side of the park watching it all and sobbing, entire body heaving sobs.

I think I need time to let the news sink in. There are many things to be grateful for, including the fact that DS is unaffected by many of the traits that can go with ASD. But at the moment I just dont feel like I can cope with the constant feeling of sadness for him. I would do anything for him, but I cant get him a friend can i? Or protect him from situations like today, which will happen so many times in his childhood. I have been keeping a brave face as best I can, but husband is away tonight and I am lying in bed feeling dreadful.

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marne2 · 25/07/2014 20:47

Sorry I havn't read the whole thread, I'm sure lots of people have given great advice. There will be many times you shed tears as your ds grows up, not all will be sad tears, there are many times I shed happy tears. Both my dd's are on the spectrum. When dd2 was 3 her local paediatrician told us that dd2 would probably never talk, would not read or write and would not cope in main stream school. My whole world caved in but I could not give up on Dd2, I could see things that others couldn't ( probably because I wasn't judging her on a half an hour appointment in a strange room with strange people ). Anyway, after lots of therapy, a great OT and speech therapist and lots of hard work, dd2 is now almost 9 years old, in mainstream school, verbal ( when she wants to be ) and working at a average or above level for her age group, she can read, write and is great at maths. She has a few friends but prefers her own company, most importantly she is very happy. We don't know what the future holds but so far she is doing great and makes me proud every day.

My other dd has Aspergers, she has lots of friends ( most of them are similar to her and most are boys ), she does suffer with anxiety but we deal with this the best we can. I love my quirky family Grin.

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carlywurly · 25/07/2014 20:57

Adding my voice here too. I remember it well. The worst thing was the fear of the unknown.

I have to say, 5 years on, things are so different. Like calamity kate, I genuinely don't know that I'd wave the wand. Ds is funny, honest and incredibly affectionate. I think asd actually contributes to making him the adorable little person that he is. I never thought I would ever say that.

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saysap · 25/07/2014 21:44

Op if you live any where near me I would be more than happy for your little boy to have play dates with my little boy !!

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Hedger · 25/07/2014 22:42

Just to say I have recently been through the same thing - my DS is 20 months old.

The whole thing was a huge shock to me. I had great plans for my DS Wink - he was going to go to Oxford, row for Great Britain and have zillions of friends Smile. Autism was definitely not in my plans and it knocked me for six.

I didn't cope at all well for a couple of months - I was in tears most of the day, every day, and struggled to get out of bed in the mornings. In the end I had to go on anti-depressants (which really helped me). The family I had always thought I would have just disappeared and it was forever and it's not an exaggeration to say I truly believed I could never be happy again.

A few months on and I am so much happier - DS makes progress every day and is always making us laugh. We have great fun together. I love him absolutely fiercely. I remember speaking to someone at the Autism Society who had an ASD son, and she said that you love them more, because you have to, which struck a cord with me. You will be your son's greatest champion and you will find the strength you need, but go easy on yourself because it takes time.

A couple of things I would recommend:

  1. Read George and Sam by Charlotte Moore - it really helped me.


  1. Look into ABA. You can do it yourself if you can't afford private tutors.


  1. If you are really struggling, go and see your doctor about going on anti-depressants for a short while, just until the news has sunk in and you feel ready to deal with things.


Your son sounds lovely. It's really wonderful that he is sociable and wants to make friends - that social interest is a great thing that many autistic children lack to some degree or another, so you are lucky.

And try not to worry about him with other children. All children, autistic or not, get bullied or left out or picked on to some extent or another at some time in their life and your son WILL have friends and be happy. But most of all he has a lovely mother who will always be there for him and have fun with him.

You'll be OK - trust me! Feel free to PM me at any time if you want to chat.
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Livingtothefull · 26/07/2014 00:16

I am thinking of you and my heart goes out to you.

My DS was born 12 weeks premature, weighing less than 2 pounds with a bleed on his brain. He is severely disabled now and wheelchair bound. At the time I despaired, I thought as a family we were finished.

I remember friends bringing me gifts like books/magazines to read, and being mystified. I thought 'Why are they bringing me this stuff? Don't they realise that my life as a happy one is over and I can't be interested in this ever again?'

I thought at the time that was a rational response, but really I was in shock at the time. I didn't realise at the time how much the shock was affecting my thinking. If you have only just received the diagnosis then you will be in shock too.

I was grieving for the life I thought I was going to have. It took some time to embrace the life I actually do have with my DS.

You and your DS have been unfortunate enough to encounter unkind children, at a time when you have just received the diagnosis and so are especially vulnerable. Please believe me, you won't always feel like this. There will come a time very soon that you just won't care about such people. You will be able to teach your DS that there are some unpleasant people who are not worth bothering about.

You will get over this and follow up as needed
And you will encounter great kindness too….there are some wonderful people out there who will offer support to you and DS.

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Sapat · 26/07/2014 03:26

I remember hearing my DD's diagnosis of social communication disorder as part of a year long ASD assessment with a mixture of relief and sadness. As well as DD (the eldest) I have two boys, and when I was told that my 3rd was a boy part of me grieved that I would never have "normal" mother-daughter chats where we discussed makeup and clothes, and the little things girly things that I share with my sister or mother. Will she find a significant other and maybe get married? Can she, should she, have children? If she does, will I be able to help her? The social side of autism is the hardest. How can my 6 year old be an academic genius but still poop her pants 2 or 3 times a day and still can't use a knife and fork, even to eat mash? How can I explain to her that if she wants classmates to play with her she needs to be more normal, and explain to her for the hundredth time how people behave in society? Should kids play with her because they have been encouraged to, out of pity or duty? How does it help her to make friends? Do I tell parents of her diagnosis to excuse her quirks (like ignoring people who talk to her, invading personal space, incessant chatter about her latest obsession, etc) or do I say nothing hoping they will only find her slightly odd, not wanting her condition to be her identity? It is hard when the disability is about how you fit in society and how society perceives you.

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missingmumxox · 26/07/2014 04:33

I went to holland and fell in love, I didn't realise Holland wasn't the cool place to go,

my ds1 is currently going through the testing he is 9, we didn't pick up on a problem until the school pointed it out, at home my Ds is just a mini me of his Dad... dh has been reading up... You can imagine! and concluded he is too... No shit Sherlock!

I had a cry when I realised he could be ASD, dh said but he is still him, he isn't going to change, whether or not he gets the diagnosis!

I have a cousin who is higher on the spectrum than my son (I truly believe whether we get a diagnoses or not dt1 is) but I see a life for him, he is bright, loving, funny and honest, like my boy.

I actually find my boy easier than dt2 and I have found out that inadvertently due to my dyslexic coping mechanism I have made a life perfect for him, I am quite spontaneous but have short term memory problems, so I repeat, repeat in the morning what we HAVE to do that day, and timings, he reminds me if I forget anything Grin

I never promise things unless I can and always with a cavet, so for instance we will go to lego land tomorrow unless it's raining hard and nothing else happens which is more important 99.9% of the time we get to do the thing when we can't he is prepared.
This is because my mum used to promise a lot and it didn't materialise, one day when I was 5 or 6 she said I am sick of promising and letting you down really don't mean to, can I say maybe? which probably means no but we will aim for it, that worked, I was never disappointed after that I knew mum was trying hard.

(Pop lived with us and was terminally ill, not that she was flaky)

So that's me and I have to say I like Holland it works, it's not Italy which quite frankly can produce some horrible things like fascismGrin

No, I will happily take holland.

On those boy btw it wasn't your sons diagnosis, most older children respect little children and look after them, these where ill behaved.

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chocisonabikinidiet · 26/07/2014 10:50

Op; sorry you are going through this.

I have a Dd (6) with severe autism and learning difficulties. She was dx at 3 too.

I won't lie, life is not easy. There are the challenges relating to Dd itself and for me (even more of an issue) are the constabt battles for help and support. I had to appeal to tribunal both for DLA and for Dd's statement. Had to fight long and hard to get Salt (Dd has a severe s&l delay) and OT. She is in a MS school with 1:1 and has no friends, the other school gate mums blank me out, no birthday party invitations, old friends dropping us etc.. (can you guess, I loath the Holland poem [hm]))

but we are getting there. We have readjusted and live is ok. We are happy. DD is a fantastic little girl and I would not change the world for her. We also have made a few brilliant new friends. But I do wonder often what life would be like without the daily asd challenges.

If you are looking into interventions, I second ABA. It has made such a difference to Dd.

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CalamityKate1 · 26/07/2014 10:57

"Funny,honest and incredibly affectionate"

Carlywurly - sounds like my son! God he cracks us up every day.... The things he says and the way he says them. He's got a brilliant sense of humour and if something tickles him he can laugh about it for days but he's also very dry.

He's painfully honest :)

And has always been so affectionate. Needs several hugs a day, loves his family and tells us so, frequently :)

At four he really wasn't saying much at all and when he did speak it was often gobbledygook, or he'd say the right word but stress the wrong syllables. His SALT told me cautiously that one day, "potentially" he might be able to hold a conversation..... :(

Well he's 12 now, in the top sets for most of his subjects in his mainstream school, can bake better than I can, is popular with his peers and has absolutely no problem conversing. In fact by the time he was in year 1 in primary - having had very limited verbal skills at 4 - his teacher was raving about his large vocabulary and how able he was academically.

God I could rave about him all day. Sorry Blush

The point is OP - your DS is wonderful, will always be wonderful and I guarantee he WILL have friends! Learning to make friends is just one skill he'll have to work at but he will get there. It's brilliant that he clearly values and recognises friendship; at three my DS would have been deeply uninterested in the other children or the play equipment. He'd have been obsessively spinning a pebble, or opening and shutting the gate, whilst humming tunelessly Hmm Grin

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tigerpug · 26/07/2014 18:46

Wow, there are some absolutely wonderful replies here. DH and I have spent so long reading through them all. I am so pleased I posted about this, we feel very supported. Thank you all.

Yes those kids at the park were less than perfect, but most kids are aren't perfect they? I didn't feel angry with them, they just happened to be there when I was at my most sensitive. Hedger, you are right, kids can be bloody awful sometimes, that is something you cannot change. I have no special needs, and even I remember times in my childhood when I was bullied, picked on and made to feel awful. I think most children go through times like that. I am sure DS would experience this whether he was 'different' or not, and it would still reduce me to tears. However, we (he) bravely went back to the same park the next day and it was quite different, there were more children but no big groups, and DS was able to connect (with help from me) with a few children. In fact one boy followed him around, he was younger, and that seems to be a pattern, younger children are far less intimidated by him, or just less likely to notice any difference. I know what happened will happen again, and i need to grow a thicker skin. Eugh there really is no worse feeling than knowing your child is being treated badly by someone.

The last few months with DS have been amazing, he has improved so much. I can take him to a cafe, to the supermarket etc with a level of confidence I never had. Playgroups and busy social situations are still hard though. But I do not take for granted the improvements. For the first few years of having DS i would never have taken him to a supermarket, on a train etc. As a consequence I lost so much confidence in myself as he was my first DC. In a way I wish I had known he had autism very early on, as I would have been able to understand it so much better, and also I would have known I wasn't just being silly/problematic. All the times I felt like a bad mum......

This post has been cathartic, I am not usually so open about myself or my family. This has shown me that perhaps I should be more open with people around me. I would like to be less sensitive to peoples reactions towards DS, and I need to make room in our family for autism, as it wont go away. However, I am going to read Holland to quite a few people..... I bloody wish that all us parents and kids with autism could join forces and become one big super power!!! I would absolutely love to connect with families in a similar situation, I need to work out the best way of doing that. We live in quite a rural area so if anyone can point us in the direction of a site where we can find local families that would be great. Although I am going to get reading about autism in great detail, so I am sure I will be able to find sites that will help connect us to others. God it would be so refreshing to have some playdates where I am not literally on the edge of my seat and dreading every single second of it. Even admitting to that is a relief!

I will look into ABA this evening, I dont know what it is yet, but thank you for the recommendations.

Hurr1cane - yes, kids in the park were bloody awful, but I do know that it may have been the same for any other child, even one without SN. Kids can be cruel - I would never want to be young again!

INsanityscratching - heartwarming and beautiful, thank you

IsItMeOr - very good advice re 'brokering an introduction' and this is something I did today, thanks to you

CalamityKate1 - you sound wonderful

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GrannyOnTheSchoolRun · 26/07/2014 19:09

tigerpug, I like this forum board.asdfriendly.org

Its actually one that grew from what I think was the very first UK based online forum way back in the day when the Internet was just invented. As it is the children we were posting about in those days are probably now all in their 20's at the very least.

I still used the forum up to a few years ago.

Another good one is

www.asd-forum.org.uk/forum/

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spindlyspindler · 26/07/2014 19:42

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flyingspaghettimonster · 26/07/2014 20:12

No advice, just hugs and I wanted to tell you tha being autistic doesn't preclude friends - my daughter's best friend is autistic. She is a hold full of confidence, very smart and imaginative and witty. She is perhaps lacking in social niceties - I have learnt to accept very verbal criticism from her since she was 6, but she brings so much happiness and friendship to my daughter's life. They have regular play dates and have a large social group at school. The child is not as popular as my girl because her social awkwardness can be a little scary for the other kids, but she is well liked with about a dozen nice friends and at least 6 she sees regularly outside school. She isn't excluded from parties etc. They are 10 now.

I hope your son also ends up with a best friend and group who love him for himself

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stillenacht1 · 26/07/2014 20:23

I'm still struggling with this, sorry. DS was dxd at 27 months and he is very nearly 11. You get stronger, you become fiercely protective and your family will just take a new turn. He will progress, he will be able to do things you never imagined but it is hard. I'm sorry but the good thing is you will discover strengths you never knew you had.

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stillenacht1 · 26/07/2014 20:42

I just wanted to add that we all absolutely adore DS. When he was little I used to have dreams of him being normal and wake up in tears because the dreams ended. Now I couldn't imagine him any other way xxxx

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tigerpug · 26/07/2014 21:22

Chocisonabikinidiet, im sorry about how you and your lovely dd have been treated at the school gates. How on earth can parents (who are capable of showing such love and care towards their own dc) treat other mums and children with such disregard. If you and i were at the school gates i would hope that we could have a good old natter and anything and nothing, and get some party invites exchanged.

Bloody hell this parenting stuff is tough sometimes isnt it. Encountering situations like this, it really puts things into perspective. I honestly dont think i could be happy without knowing my child was happy. Its powerful stuff

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marchduck · 27/07/2014 00:51

tigerpug I understand the concern about whether or not to be open about the diagnosis. You have to do what you feel is best for your boy and you.
My DD got dx a couple of months before her fourth birthday. I was gutted, but I was also glad that the horrible limbo period of uncertainty was over. My DD is now 5 and has just finished YR equivalent in mainstream school. When she got dx, DH and I told our families and close friends. We live in a small town, so undoubtedly, news would have been passed on! I have tried to be open about DD's'dx in a natural way since she started school with the mums I didn't know beforehand. I haven't experienced any negative reactions so far; DD takes part in all aspects of school life, has been invited to the birthday parties etc.
I think "autism" must count as one of the most terror-striking words in the English language. Everyone has a different experience of it. I didn't know what it signified for my family and me until I lived it.
Another aspect- when DD got dx, I spent much time trying to work out how to fix it. As a parent/carer, you will read many recommendations about interventions. I really worried that DD didn't have a full-time ABA home programme, special diet etc, and that I was letting DD down by just tryting to muddle through myself. It has worked out ok for us though. Personally, it was important for me to think about the needs of all my family. I have an older DS (NT) who deserves as much of me as DD does.
Anyway, just wanted to say that actually living with this diagnosis isn't anywhere as bad as I had feared it would be Grin. With my objective head on, I can see that DD is different than her class-mates, in some ways. But DD is a wee pet; she makes us laugh everyday and she is truely a joy. Every parent has a different experience, but what I understand now is that my child doesn't need to be the same as everyone else. She is just herself; happy, loving, sociable, smart, affectionate - and autistic!
tigerpug your DS sounds lovely, and all the best to your family and you
[Thanks] to all mums/dads/carers with childrens that are different.

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Dayshiftdoris · 27/07/2014 01:38

My son was dx at 6 and half. Now 10

Life wasn't the same again - how can it be? However, it's a million times the place it would have been without the understanding we now have.

He struggles with friends or more than the parents of his friends struggle Sad as he has some challenging behaviours arising from an anxiety disorder (new, recent dx) and he has low (they say perhaps none at all) emotional literacy. He worries that if he is different then people will make fun of him but the sheer fact is that his obvious 'normal act' makes him different - There are days it's really hard Hmm

But then I think back to not knowing - the despair and guilt. How unhappy my son was Sad He is much happier these days and learning that having ASD is 'ok'... We have an amazing network of friends now and it's ok.

The grief is normal and it will come back but each time you will recognise it, go with it and come out a bit stronger.

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TheSameBoat · 27/07/2014 02:07

I remember reeling with shock when DS was diagnosed. Every now and again it still hits me, especially when I'm around my friends' "normal" kids. I worry that he'll never have friends or that he'll do something crazy to get them.

But then I think of his kindness and how so much that is lovely and unique about him stems from his so called disability and I really wouldn't change things for the world.

Your boy is lucky to have such a caring mum and don't forget, when you have a diagnosis things become so much easier because you know what you're dealing with. There is so much help out there these days. Make sure you use it. Thanks

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WaveorCheer · 27/07/2014 09:18

I really don't understand this 'not changing him for the world' thing, and now I'm wondering if I'm doing this wrong too.

My son's disability means he's often awake for larger chunks of the night. Last night I was up with him 2-5am. I'd like to change that.

It means he scratches faces and bites hard on a daily basis - both I and my mum have teeth mark bruises at the moment. My younger DS is just getting rid of a large and deep scratch to the face that also blackened his eye. I'd like to change that.

It means that children in the park often shout at him to go away if he inadvertently sits in the middle of one of their games. I'd like to change that.

It means be struggles to tell me if he's tired or hungry or thirsty or overstimulated or overcrowded or bored or in pain, so he has to lash out. I'd like to change that!

Seriously, what's the upside here?

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stillenacht1 · 27/07/2014 09:30

WaveorCheer I would change him if I could.

DS has low functioning autism with SLD-I totally get what you are saying. It's just I can't imagine him a different way now. Of course I would give everything I own (and more) to make him more able to live in and cope with the world and for the world to be more accepting of him. I would LOVE a cure, but then my DS is severe- if he was only mildly affected I can see that life would be much, much better.

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IsItMeOr · 27/07/2014 09:38

WaveorCheer sorry that you're obviously having it hard at the moment. I'm not clear whether your son has ASD or another condition underlying his disability.

ASD is a very wide spectrum, and it's apparent that it can sometimes be possible to support DCs more effectively, so that they are less likely to bite, scratch and more likely to be as happy as the next child.

We're not at the point of acceptance either (yet?), not least because we don't have a diagnosis. But I can see that the independence of thinking that I love in DS may well be a facet of ASD/social communication disorder, as he feels no great need to fit in with the crowd.

Hope you are getting the help and support you, and your DS, need.

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Dayshiftdoris · 27/07/2014 10:38

Wave

I think everyone wants to change the things our kids find difficult.

I struggle to 'embrace' autism - accept it yes but given the challenges I do not embrace it, infact I wish autism would do one and leave my son alone when he's raging, hurting and crying.

You are absolutely right to feel angry and despair at your son's condition - it's really tough - I get hurt too.

With understanding and support it gets easier and more manageable - not cured but more managed and easier to deal with

Please don't think you are doing something wrong

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ChoosandChipsandSealingWax · 27/07/2014 10:39

WaveorCheer sorry you're having such a tough time.

Definitely at that age is when I was finding it hardest - DS suddenly got much more violent and many more meltdowns - I think because he was starting to encounter and experience the outside world/strangers etc (whereas before he had blocked it out) and was just finding it utterly overwhelming. The only way he could communicate to me that it was too much was to bite me - I know what you mean about flinching when they come near. I had bruises everywhere, occasional black eyes etc. it was by far my lowest point. And combined with the lack of sleep it's a compete killer (actually my DS sleeps fine but the stress gave me terrible insomnia). I was really struggling.

It does get better (or at least, it has for me, so I hope for you too). And yes, it's OK to feel like you would like to change/improve those behaviours - in many of those cases (perhaps not the sleep) it will be possible to help him.

I have learnt how to reduce the stress for my DS and to prepare him better for stressful situations; he had a bit of language, but still now loses his ability to speak when he is anxious, so teaching him Makaton (a very basic form of sign language) has really helped him as he now he can communicate the symbol "home" when he is starting to feel its too much. Also we had an excellent OT who taught him him how to ask for help, and me how to use sensory tools eg deep pressure, chewing tube, to help reduce his anxiety, and she has also put him on a 'sensory diet' which keeps him on a much more even keel. So now he doesn't need to resort to the violence. It makes all the difference.

Those of us who say we wouldn't change it now probably wouldn't have said that earlier on when we were at your stage. I was feeling very angry about it all back then, resentful, frustrated, railing against how unfair etc. I hope it gets better for you too.

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MichaelaS · 27/07/2014 10:46

I wonder how much of the "wouldn't change them for the world" stuff is at the high functioning end of the spectrum. That is where my DS1 is. I suspect also I am a HFA / aspergirl too, and will look into diagnosis if/when my DS1 gets one. I think there are many advantages to being HFA, some of which are given above.

The further into the spectrum you go, the more the downsides of sensory processing problems, social isolation and difficulty finding employment as a result of ASD behaviours start to outweigh the positives like deep intelligence, the joy of obsessions, the emotional self awareness that comes from coming to terms with being a bit different to everyone else, etc etc. At the high functioning end, there is actually a lot of potential that many NTs don't have. For example, my degree is in pure maths from an ivy league uni and I guess about half the people on the course were on the spectrum. Many had odd eating habits, most of the men couldn't hold a conversation with an attractive woman, and there were lots of unusual pasttimes like teddy bear picnics and sci fi clubs that were just "our normal". it was heaven, to be honest, being with people who were like me. I was no longer the "odd" one! :-) Now just think of the amazingly well paid careers that those people went into. Quants, actuaries, tax adviors, programmers, technical accountants, engineers, entrepreneurs.

Well, I guess my point is that in our house we are very "out and proud" about ASD.

The fact that my DS1 is still in nappies at 5 and is emotionally still in the toddler years are the price we are paying on the road to him discovering his unique place in the world and inherent brilliance as a person. I only want two things for him - to be happy, and to one day be able to live as an independent adult as far as possible. I know we are very lucky, and I can't say I'd feel so positive about the future if he were further down the spectrum and we were dealing with more direct violence, or complete social isolation at secondary school age, or looking at whole-of-life care plans.

But I do think you can't predict outcome at 3 years old. What you can do is learn, get some therapy / developmental support, and encourage work on the sharper edges of the presentation so that you are maximising the chance of your DS ending up independent and happy.

(bit of a rant, sorry!)

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