IABU to ask you to guess my pay from my job description?

[upyourninja]

If I describe my job, could you tell me what you think my pay might be/what would be fair remuneration?

Highly specialised role within a not-for-profit sector
Most jobs in London/south of UK, so had to relocate to get into the industry
Required to travel overseas 4-6 times per year
Manage a small team, which is the department for the whole company
Present our product to international clients; most of our business is in Asia
High level of expertise and 8 years of experience in the industry
Take part in several senior committees within the company
Daily international meetings via conference
Originate, authorise, and sign contracts
Report on trends, achieve a set target revenue (increasing every year despite a difficult market)

High academic qualifications are required and many colleagues are Oxbridge/Ivy League educated.

And... out of curiosity, what is your profession and do you feel adequately compensated for your time?

[upyourninja]

I have spent a long time looking at jobs today and there is nothing I would want to move for, and only a few I could even apply for.

It looks like I do indeed need to take the next step and speak to recruitment people, and maybe some of my contacts.

[upyourninja]

Chicken, this thread has definitely encouraged me to look around and be more proactive. I am signing up for bulletins etc, and want to arm myself with the right information.

[ChickenFajitaAndNachos]

My DS doesn't work in IT. He works at a car windscreen place dealing with client's insurance details.
OP do you think you will look for another position? I think that's the best way of getting a pay increase. My DH ( who does work in IT) changes his job every 4 to 6 years and negotiates a 10/20% pay increase each time he moves.
Even if you do get a rise next year it may only be a couple of percent which is better obviously than nothing but it sounds with your skills you could earn more.

[upyourninja]

Well done chicken's DS!

My dad and brother are in project management in IT. Bro works from (parents') home, actually in bed most of the time, and often has few projects so just tarts about on FB for a few hours before logging off. Some conf calls etc but easy stuff. He earns significantly more than me. Even more now he's about to switch jobs. IT is not for me unfortunately.

[ChickenFajitaAndNachos]

I am proud of him as he hated school and all his GCSE's were D and below, actually only one D. Then he did some dead end jobs and went back to college at 20 to take the BTEC course.

[BeatriceBean]

Wow Chicken! I've got graduates (from "good" universities) around me struggling to get that kind of wage.

Good on him.

[ChickenFajitaAndNachos]

That salary does sound really low. My DS is 25, has a BTEC in IT, I think level 2 which is GCSE level and earns 24k in his really easy insurance job. We live in the South East and he walks to work from his flat so has no fares. He has no targets or conference calls or anything like that and it is pretty much stress free.

[upyourninja]

We are international; in fact, among other things, I am helping to interview candidates for our next new office in Lat Am. Not education publishing though. Bonuses exist but are not big and are not target driven, just sort of.. handed over to people the director thinks have worked hard

[thegreylady]

Do you work for a multi national publishers (P) ? If you are in their education branch the salaries are low but the yearly bonuses are good.

[upyourninja]

Ouch! I appreciate the need for a London weighting, but my word, that's a big difference.

[DidoTheDodo]

I think you ought to!
(I work in the not for profit sector, but acknowledge that salaries are much higher in London. My equivalent job in the regions (SE) pays almost exactly half of a London salary)

[upyourninja]

Thanks dido. Maybe I should look at becoming a development manager :)

[fromparistoberlin73]

not for profit, so in the 30-45K range

[DidoTheDodo]

Oh. I was very wrong! No prizes for me.

[DidoTheDodo]

Just from reading your post (I'll read the rest of the thread in a minute, but don't want to be influenced) I think you are a development Manager and earn £42K.

[upyourninja]

Toddle - really glad it has worked out so well for you in any case, professionally and personally.

[upyourninja]

Wink fair point but there are not very men left in publishing

In my office (not head office), we have one man for every 8 women. Every single one of the men has a stay at home wife if they have children. It's a different world. But the new crop of senior folk are all women so things will be very different in the next 10-20 years I suspect.

[OneLittleToddleTerror]

upyourninja it's not giving away too much. Part of lean in is saying we women are too embarassed talking about pay. I'm on statutory maternity pay now because the new company is a smaller one and that I haven't worked long enough for enhanced pay. My previous company has 3 months full pay, which isn't fantastic, but still better than 6 weeks 90%.

I didn't feel comfortable about my situation with the new company either. But I took over 18mo and by that time I have basically given up. (ie no contraception but no active trying either). Then I miraculously got pregnant a month after starting the new job. I wouldn't have left if it's not for the redundancy. So I know how you feel.

[wink1970]

Meh, I came in here to say

whatever it is, it's likely 20% less than your male colleague

that is all /

[upyourninja]

This is probably giving too much away but my last mat pay was just the minimum. Probably I'm an idiot for staying on at this stage but we've had to delay dc2 for many reasons and I wouldn't feel comfortable starting a new job without doing at very least a year before TTC. And as you say things can take much longer than planned.

[upyourninja]

[faints]

Daddyorchips. I am in discussions about next year's salary and job title. I will most likely be made Rights Director, or a comparable title. I honestly didn't know rights could pay that much so that's hopeful in a way. There are of course different pressures in different areas of publishing and there are a lot of perks to being in my company. Pay is not one of them

[OneLittleToddleTerror]

I was also staying at my old place because of the maternity pay and I was trying for a child. That took ages and really didn't help. I was quite resentful at the end. Very un lean in I would say.

[OneLittleToddleTerror]

JaneParker I've also read Lean In but I feel very embarrased asking for more money. Also, once you have young children there's a lot of consideration for a flexible job. I'd rather be in a job that's flexible then working a lot of hours. I also can't make myself asking others how much they earn.

upyourninja luckily my field is very open about pay on job boards. Every job ad has pay range listed. So it's very easy to see that I was very underpaid. I fit all the job spec for jobs going above my then salary. I asked for more pay over a year they just fobbed me off with mumbles of annual pay review. Then I got the chop when redundancy came last year. I did well out of it though as I found another job straight away at what seems to be normal salary for my experience. (£8k more if you are curious). It seems from opinions here in publishing you are underpaid more than that amount for your expertise.

[daddyorchipsdaddyorchips]

The closest role we have to yours, here, is the Rights Director and they are on £65k + bonus.

[BeatriceBean]

Geekgirl.. what did you retrain in?

Im oxbridge and looking at retraining if I can afford it!