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Is my nanny taking the michael? Or am I being judgey?

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stinkingbishop · 23/06/2014 09:24

We've already had a few talks about time off. She's got 20 days' holiday a year. We're at 27 days off already including holiday still to be taken and 5 days sick/appointments. Some of that time is holiday we're taking, so she has to be off, but she's known those dates for ages and could have sorted her own holiday accordingly (she's young, free and single).

Last week she texted late at night to ask if she could have a.n.other day as she'd got flights wrong, and I said, OK, but we're going to have to start docking pay now as it's getting silly as I have to pay for extra cover/not work. Miraculously the flight sorted itself out.

Last Monday she had an urgent hospital appointment for a problem with her jaw. Fine. But she booked it in the middle of the day which meant there was no point coming in at all. Again, I couldn't work. She then texted to say it was because she was grinding her teeth thanks to stress, and she needed to calm down.

Am I being a beeyatch to think being a nanny isn't the most stressful occupation in the world????

And then at the weekend she texts to say she fainted, was taken to the walk in centre, who told her she was anemic, needs to be on iron pills, and was to take the whole week off.

I'm retraining in a medical field and this was my first week of seeing patients and I was so excited! Am scrabbling round trying to sort things out with a childcare jigsaw puzzle and trying sooooo hard not to text something counter productive and rude back/panic/rage...

WWYD wise MNers?

The DTDs (age 2) love her. She's v good at playing with them. There's some stuff I'm not happy with as she has funny priorities, but not sure that's relevant here?

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ChuffinEllAsLike · 23/06/2014 14:44

Ive been anaemic countless times, I never took any time off work.

A week?!

Rubbish. She is rubbish by the sounds of it, if it was me, after all that Id be issuing the months notice.

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Finola1step · 23/06/2014 17:26

Wrt this current sickness situation. So she told you on Saturday, is her working week Monday - Friday. If so, you have to count today as her first day of sickness as today is the first working day she has missed. She could argue that she told you early (before today) as a committed employee who was mindful of your childcare needs!

If she is Monday - Friday, then she can easily take this week off, come back next Monday and self certificate for the days she missed this week. She could argue that there is no need for a doctor's note and most GPs will advise self certification.

Therefore, you can ask for a note, but I will be vv surprised if you get one.

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fromparistoberlin73 · 23/06/2014 17:28

flaky OP< well flaky

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ChelsyHandy · 23/06/2014 17:38

You don't need to give notice (other than in the contract) or warnings if she has been there less than 2 years. And anyway, lack of competence (as demonstrated by poor attendance) is a potentially fair reason for dismissal.

Her comments re stress would worry me. She is running up quite a lot of potential conditions there already. If I sound unsympathetic its not because of the nature of the conditions, its because I suspect she doesn't actually have them.

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PrincessBabyCat · 23/06/2014 17:42

There's also a chance that's she embarrassed about her medical condition and is making up anemia as an excuse. Either way, as long as she gets a doctor's note saying she needed the week off, she's probably telling the truth about needing the time off. It's not for you to decide if her condition is worthy of time off or not compared to her doctor who knows her situation better.

But if she's missing too many days, you could always find a healthier nanny. Otherwise, if you like her and your kids like her, I'd just give her a warning that she has no more free sick days.

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nannynoss · 23/06/2014 18:47

I'm going to ignore the stressed comment, but as far as the rest of your OP is concerned, YANBU to be getting fed up.
As a nanny, I generally take children with me to medical appointments (unless inappropriate like a smear!) because it's easier for everyone to have them sit in their pram for half an hour than parents having to take time off and mess up kids' routine. I also try and book non urgent appointments when the family is away on hol if possible but obviously this doesn't always fit.

I also have the same clause in my contract about medical examination paid for by employer - if I had to take extended time off I would be happy for employer to arrange for me to be examined by an outside service to prove illness.

With regards to holiday, I think you need to do as others have said and say no to all holiday until next January (if she is still with you then). For any future nannies, say you will pick 2 weeks holiday each, and any other time off you take when nanny is available to work, will also be paid for.

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nannynoss · 23/06/2014 18:49

Oh and regarding the anaemia thing, she may well have a doctors note staying anaemia but it could be something else. I had to take a week off with something when I worked in an office, and I didn't want employer to know the medical reason, so doctor said I could decide what she would write on my sick note. She said she could write anything! Obviously medical notes have real reason but just to bear in mind. If she hasn't issued a sick note though, I'd be seeing red flags.

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stinkingbishop · 23/06/2014 19:57

That's a good point nannymoss, but supposing she sticks with anaemia...can you even be diagnosed on the spot? Wouldn't the doc have sent off bloods for testing?

Oo I am far too suspicious. I was bitching politely conversing with another Mum about this today. I guess maybe the severity of my reaction is I am sooo the opposite way round, probably unhealthily so. My parents were doctors and my DB was once sent home from school with a note asking if they were aware he had a broken arm. We weren't allowed time off unless we had a broken neck, and even then we'd have been lucky to get a couple of aspirin. Fast forward a few decades and I met my DP at work, with a heart monitor strapped onto my chest and a face slashed open because I'd been in an accident but knew how important the meeting was for our firm, so stiff upper lip (what was left of it) and all that. He thought it was hilarious. And now we have the childcare-less twins Grin.

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nannynoss · 23/06/2014 20:06

I think if she was treated as an emergency, they would fast track the blood tests to find cause? But no idea if this is correct or if she was even treated as an emergency!

I am the same as you by the way, I normally have to be told by my boss to go to bed because I am almost on my knees but think I'm not that bad! I think you kind of have to be like that as a nanny though - you are aware what a pain in the arse it is for the parent(s) so you will do everything else first to avoid taking a day off. Normally.

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veryseriousgirl · 23/06/2014 20:15

Stinkingbishop, our very first nanny was a lot like yours. Emotionally, very good with the children, but took lots of sick days, booked up all her holidays, then needed personal days to take care of life admin, etc. I was reluctant to change as the children loved her, but a wise friend counselled me that the parents are also an important part of the nanny relationship, and if I was so stressed by what was happening in the house (and the impact it had on my work when I had to take yet another day off), then the situation was not working and we needed to change it.
We ended up with the most wonderful nanny on earth for our next one, and a lot of that was down to asking questions in the interview prompted by our previous experiences. Grin
I didn't want to offer extra holidays based on not taking sick days, as I felt that a professional nanny wouldn't take days if she wasn't actually sick, and if she were less professional, she may come in while unfit to look after the children and / or pass her lurgie on to them!

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PixieofCatan · 23/06/2014 20:30

As my first post was deleted for answering OP's rhetorical question in the first post about whether she was being a bitch to think nannying wasn't stressful, I shall repost the rest of it in case future readers find it useful:

"What is in your contract? Standard contracts state she chooses 50% and you choose 50% of entitlement. Mine states that any above that on my behalf is unpaid, any on the families is paid.

Sick pay is paid at SSP only (though in the past I have had discretionary pay from one of my employers).

She is taking the piss, she also knows that she will get away with it. If you're due a contract renewal I'd get advice about what to put in it to ensure she doesn't continue taking the piss.

I have health issues, I have never taken time off because of them (I have taken time off when sick though), obviously she can't help hospital appointments, but if I were her and desperately needed to see a doctor, I'd be discussing whether I could take my charges with me to limit the inconvenience to you.

And before anybody says it, she has legal rights, you cannot just get rid."

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hiddenhome · 23/06/2014 20:37

Hospital appointment for grinding teeth? Hmm

The dentist will sort that out with a mouth guard.

Anaemia sounds equally suspicious in an otherwise healthy young person.

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PixieofCatan · 23/06/2014 20:50

I've just thought, if she's ill, it may be that anaemia is something she's using to hide something more embarrassing, or it's a symptom of a wider problem.

They can diagnose anaemia quickly. My ex had a blood test on the Monday morning, was called and asked to go to our 'local' hospital ASAP for transfusions as he was severely anaemic. He was kept in overnight and pumped full of blood but they did a lot of testing over the next few weeks, including a camera into his intestines he was not impressed by that, because they suspected that he'd had a major bleed. They never did find it. I think it was diet related.

I was anaemic for most of my teens, apart from two mahoosive, industrial sized bottles of bright red iron liquid when I was 11 (fuck knows what that was) I never received any treatment. I thought that I still was anaemic but blood tests recently prove me not to be Confused Severely VitD deficient, but not anaemic.


It's hard to know what to do when you're ill, or generally not feeling great, as a nanny. Unless I feel likely to throw up (or have thrown up) I try to make it in, though will call ahead if I have a really bad cough/cold going on as I have had employers in the past who would prefer me to avoid the kids in that situation!

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hiddenhome · 23/06/2014 20:54

If she's ill, I'm The Pope's mother Hmm I work in a industry where all the younger employees throw fake sickies all the time. Some of them are sick so often they really should be invalids Confused

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Objection · 23/06/2014 20:56

20 days is a shit annual leave allowance. I thought employees were all entitled to 5.6 weeks (including bank holidays) unless they were self employed and nannies doing regular work can't be self employed.
If this is true (and im sure it is) YABVU to give such shitty conditions.

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PixieofCatan · 23/06/2014 20:56

hidden I'm skeptical as well, but attempting to give the benefit of the doubt.

I will reiterate though: This isn't something all young nannies do, please please don't avoid younger nannies because the rare few may take the piss. I'd say that most nannies appreciate that they are difficult to replace at short notice and try their best to get to work!

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PixieofCatan · 23/06/2014 20:57

objection 20 days is 5.6 weeks minus bank holidays...

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fledermaus · 23/06/2014 20:58

20 days plus bank holidays is 5.6 weeks Objection - that's what most people get.

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Objection · 23/06/2014 20:59

am I being a beeyatch to think being a nanny isn't the most stressful occupation in the world????
Do you find being a parent stressful? Add being judged on every move and always having to do it "right" (ie no TV breaks etc) as well as the child/ren not being yours so there's no unconditional love. Etc etc

I think being a Nanny is pretty fucking stressful. You don't know what else she has going on either.

Sounds like she's taking the piss a bit but that you are being very judge.

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Icelollycraving · 23/06/2014 21:00

5.6 weeks holiday is 20 days + 8 bank holidays.

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Objection · 23/06/2014 21:01

U thought the OP wasn't including bank holidays, only giving 20 days. If not, my bad Confused sorry!

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Objection · 23/06/2014 21:01

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TravellingToad · 23/06/2014 21:05

objection 20 days plus bank holidays IS 5.6 weeks including bank holidays. Einstein.

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Objection · 23/06/2014 21:07

TravellingToad really? Did you need to add the last bit of yiur comment? I've already added saying I misunderstood.

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TickleMePurple · 23/06/2014 21:16

Hmmm. I had an urgent hospital appt on a work day followed by a week off. I said something similar on the phone to my employer about "hoping to be back on Monday". I had a doctors note which just said " illness " as the reason. I'd had a miscarriage. Can we quit laying into this nanny for being ill, that's not a crime!

The other unrelated things sound dodgy though OP and it's important to feel 100% happy with your childcare arrangements so go with your gut. Get rid if that's the decision.

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