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Is my nanny taking the michael? Or am I being judgey?

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stinkingbishop · 23/06/2014 09:24

We've already had a few talks about time off. She's got 20 days' holiday a year. We're at 27 days off already including holiday still to be taken and 5 days sick/appointments. Some of that time is holiday we're taking, so she has to be off, but she's known those dates for ages and could have sorted her own holiday accordingly (she's young, free and single).

Last week she texted late at night to ask if she could have a.n.other day as she'd got flights wrong, and I said, OK, but we're going to have to start docking pay now as it's getting silly as I have to pay for extra cover/not work. Miraculously the flight sorted itself out.

Last Monday she had an urgent hospital appointment for a problem with her jaw. Fine. But she booked it in the middle of the day which meant there was no point coming in at all. Again, I couldn't work. She then texted to say it was because she was grinding her teeth thanks to stress, and she needed to calm down.

Am I being a beeyatch to think being a nanny isn't the most stressful occupation in the world????

And then at the weekend she texts to say she fainted, was taken to the walk in centre, who told her she was anemic, needs to be on iron pills, and was to take the whole week off.

I'm retraining in a medical field and this was my first week of seeing patients and I was so excited! Am scrabbling round trying to sort things out with a childcare jigsaw puzzle and trying sooooo hard not to text something counter productive and rude back/panic/rage...

WWYD wise MNers?

The DTDs (age 2) love her. She's v good at playing with them. There's some stuff I'm not happy with as she has funny priorities, but not sure that's relevant here?

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Soggysandpit · 23/06/2014 11:45

Your payroll agency should be able to advise you on the legalities (most offer access to an employment lawyer for a small extra fee when you register).

What does the contract say about who chooses holiday dates and notice for holiday? You do have a contract.........?

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ChelsyHandy · 23/06/2014 11:46

I'd be sceptical about her getting a hospital appointment for grinding her teeth. MaxFax appointments are like hen's teeth and usually for serious things. Her dentist would be able to help her by telling her to get a mouthguard or possibly Botox (I am a teeth grinder).

And then she was told to take a week off for anaemia?

She seems unusually fragile. I agree she is flaky, and possibly attention seeking too.

She actually sounds like trouble. I'd give her notice before she's been working for you for two years. If she wants to keep a job, she needs to be more dependable.

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dawndonnaagain · 23/06/2014 11:52

dd (17) is anaemic, hasn't had a day off school yet. Hmm

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ikeaismylocal · 23/06/2014 11:56

I wouldn't want to look after my own child if I was feeling faint, it's one of my biggest fears fainting whilst looking after my ds, it could be so dangerous if we were on a train staition or if I was cooking or holding ds. I think yabu to seemingly care more about your job than having an 100% well person looking after your dc.

It sounds like a nursery would work better for your family.

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Hogwash · 23/06/2014 12:08

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PixieofCatan · 23/06/2014 12:20

fleder Thanks!

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SuperFlyHigh · 23/06/2014 12:24

Unreliable and flaky!

what bollocks to say she needed a whole week off after fainting and lack of iron. I was back at work same afternoon as having fainted after having blood test at doctor and MY WORK told me I should've taken the day off.

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SybilRamkin · 23/06/2014 12:26

Sounds like she's pulling a fast one re the anaemia - a doctor would not tell you to take a week off like that! Make sure you get a sick note or doctor's letter, and don't pay for the first three days since you don't need to under SSP.

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SuperFlyHigh · 23/06/2014 12:26

Vivienne - 2 year old twins hard work for a nanny? excuse me but isn't that supposed to be what she signed up for? plus if she's trained etc then she shouldn't find it THAT much hard work.

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PixieofCatan · 23/06/2014 12:27

ikea A non-piss-taking nanny would be a better fit for the family more like. I don't think it's even a case of being 100% well, I don't think I've been 100% 'well' for years, yet I still get on and do my job. I can understand OPs frustration, her nanny has had a large amount of sick days in the short time she's been there, unless she's seriously unlucky, there is some obvious piss-taking going on there. Any employer would be frustrated with it, a nanny employer would be more-so because a nanny enables them to work, so they lose out too.

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HayDayQueen · 23/06/2014 12:28

OP - I've been there, got the t-shirt etc.

It's a tricky situation. It's even worse when the nanny is brilliant in all other respects. The flakiness is HARDER to deal with in some ways.

My old nanny is lovely, brilliant with the DSs, but was crap at cooking (did put a bit of effort in and did become better), did sod all about getting her drivers licence or passport for well over a year (which were conditions of her being employed) and kept taking lots of sick leave.

It got quite acrimonious for awhile, and I did have to call it a day with her and find alternative childcare.

Several years down the line she is better with her current employers, but the problem for her is she is just not physically robust enough to do a full time nanny job - it's that simple. She is working 3 days a week for her new employers and is still struggling with her health, but manages to have most of her medical appointments on other days. What she is bad at doing is managing her own health, and does too much on her non working days which contributes to her poor health, if you're not physically robust, you need to take care of yourself when you're not working.

She occasionally babysits for the DSs now, but I have had a few too many cancellations because of ill health, so that is dwindling. But I have a few babysitters who I call on so don't feel as put out as I did when she was nannying.

But rest assured your DC will quickly like any new person looking after them - they're a bit fickle that way! My DSs loved the childminder I sent them to when I got rid of the nanny, loved the next childminder after that too. They also love all their babysitters, particularly the 18 year old females! Hmm Wink

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Pastperfect · 23/06/2014 12:39

Unreliable nannies don't get better in my experience (and that of friends). If she's giving you grief after 6 months it's time to move on.

For future reference split hols 50:50 - you choose two weeks and she chooses two, to be notified at least 3mths in advance.

Re sickness I pay a number of sick days at full pay but after that it's at my discretion. I also made it clear that I expect our nanny to turn up to work unless she is dead (only half joking Grin ) if she needs to lie on the sofa all day then so be it.

Also with drs appointments I request that she makes them for beginning/end of day so that she can work the rest of the day - otherwise she must take the day as sick or holiday.

In reality I am much more flexible than the rules I set but I believe it is helpful to have them in place

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ivykaty44 · 23/06/2014 12:42

I would suggest as a concerned employer that you send her a note asking her to see a doctor at your expense for a medical examination - you stuck it in the contract - see what happens then…?

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Downamongtherednecks · 23/06/2014 12:44

Get rid of her. Nannies who start like this are not going to improve. One thing I did with nannies was to offer an extra five days holiday (which you can plan for) if they didn't take unexpected sick leave. I know that sounds harsh, but for me, it stopped the "duvet days" that younger nannies seemed to be prone to!

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HayDayQueen · 23/06/2014 12:47

I disagree, they can get better. But they won't do it for you I'm afraid. They need the harsh lesson that taking the piss out of their employer will result in a lost job.

Then they pull their finger out and do better next time - or not, and get sacked again......

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stinkingbishop · 23/06/2014 12:54

Thanks for all this wise MNers.

Have managed to sort nursery for 3 days, and one day off for me, so we're covered. In the meantime will check out SSP, see if the doc's note comes back, and will draft a written warning to cover my bottom (but not give it to her till I get more of a feel for things).

Good advice re being much more specific in the contract on the disciplinary and sickness procedure and the holiday allocation, and I like the idea of the bonus holiday time in exchange for no sickness.

And I agree on toddlers being generous with their affection. Mine have been blowing kisses at our builder; I think they think he's moved in or something! Maybe I should just offer him the job...

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Arion · 23/06/2014 13:04

StinkingBishop, if she notified you on Sat, then for Mon and Tues she gets nothing, then sick pay of £87.55 per week kicks in on the Wed. Any odd days off, like her hospital appointment would be without pay, unless in the last 8 weeks she has qualified for sick pay.

Also, if you are thinking if getting rid you need to check contract as holiday which has bee. Taken, but not accrued can be deducted from final salary. i.e. if dhe has taken 20 days in 6 months, she would only have accrued 10 days so you can deduct 10 days pay from final payment (basic example there!)

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PixieofCatan · 23/06/2014 13:05

I like the idea of extra holiday for not taking the mick with sickness! Though I do think that if you asked them to come in when throwing up it's shooting yourself in the foot.

It's not just younger nannies who take the mick with it either, I've heard many horror stories about nannies who were more experienced doing this kind of thing too. In my first live-in job (I was 18) I was sent back to bed and had a cup of tea bought up to me by my boss as I had flu. I don't remember much of the rest of that week though as I was so bloody ill. In the three years I've been live-out nannying I've had two days off sick because I was ill enough that I didn't want to go in, and a few because my boss at the time didn't want me there with a bad cough/cold.

As a nanny I've never had time off because of my health issues. I have in other jobs. Though at the moment I am running on my last strength until I leave a job at the end of the school year. I haven't done anything outside of work since Christmas, DP has taken over most of the household duties. Then I drop down to 3 days a week in September. I cannot wait.

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Arion · 23/06/2014 13:06

Oh, and a doctors note for day 7 onwards is common practice.

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showtunesgirl · 23/06/2014 13:08

OP, I grind my teeth and was just asked to use my bleach mouth guard as a guard and that was it from the dentist!

I think she's pulling a fast one there too.

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StanleyLambchop · 23/06/2014 13:18

I don't really have an opinion on the nanny situation per se as I have never been or employed a nanny, but just wanted to say I had severe jaw pain from teeth grinding, it gave me terrible headaches too. I was referred to the hospital who gave me a mouth guard but monitored my condition for about six months, so I had quite a few hospital appointments. So it is not impossible that she is telling the truth about that.

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bachsingingmum · 23/06/2014 13:21

I employed 6 nannies over about 15 years - some good, some bad. The contracts got tighter with each one, learning from the mistakes of the earlier one. I would recommend taking a really critical look over yours and asking if it really suits you. You can do what you want by mutual agreement provided it doesn't offend employment law.

Whilst the 50:50 holiday thing is apparently standard practice I didn't have it in my contract. It was the 4th one (bad) who informed me that was how it was. I have been very clear since (important once you have school age children) holidays to be taken at the same time as the parents, but dates to be discussed well in advance and mutually agreed. This worked, and nannies 1 to 3, and 5 and 6 were happy, particularly as we have more days and they often had more days off than the 20 and we paid them.

I also tended to pay more than SSP (the nannies have bills to pay as well), although the contract only said SSP. That applied till #4 really took the p**s.

Also, I always quoted wages gross - even in 1991!

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ivykaty44 · 23/06/2014 13:40

and will draft a written warning to cover my bottom

I didn't think you could go directly to written warning? Don't you have to meet and give a verbal warning first??

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HermioneWeasley · 23/06/2014 14:02

Honestly, OP you don't need to do a warning letter. With 6 months service she can't claim unfair dismissal. Just issue her with notice. She will not improve - this is her best behaviour.

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Gen35 · 23/06/2014 14:18

I'd just avoid myself a headache and issue notice without giving reasons to avoid implicating myself, then I'd tighten up your contract/terms for the next nanny/nanny share. Nurseries have the upside of not letting staff sickness affect you but, your dc will be excluded for sickness so consider your back up care plans here as it could be out of the frying pan - dd got everything in the first 6 mos and I had to take 10 days off in my first year for her illness related nursery exclusions.

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