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AIBU?

To think the British youth of today is a bit lazy??

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TwittyMcTwitterson · 07/03/2014 06:24

Disclaimer: sweeping generalisation so obviously not true for all. Also, basing a lot of this on my friends and what they do.

I work in the office of a factory where I regularly go down to the factory floor. We have approx 95% Eastern European workers. They work shockingly hard and some of them are my friends who I love. There's a slight issue of communication but we have translators so not a problem.

We rarely get British people through our agency and when we do I always think 'brilliant, they'll be easy to tell what's what' rather than guessing, doing strange hand gestures, calling another person off their shift or google translate.

The problem is, they're no where near as nice as our current workers (the last pair felt the need to tell me they thought my DP was my son when he pulled up one day) and they work at snails pace. And run off screaming 'yay break time' at break. They also stand back doing nothing while regulars set up the shift. Though that may be a communication issue as the regulars aren't telling them what to grab from where as they can't. Basically, they are never called back.

Looking at my Polish friends, not one is unemployed or lazy. My English friends... They either work in some fancy role and work hard or Most popped a baby out not long after school and saw it as a means of staying at home. They feel they are entitled to benefits. They talk a good talk about wanting to work but when I ask how many jobs they've applied for I get excuse after excuse.

It's all very well saying British jobs for British people but I feel like younger people don't push themselves.

For the record I'm 26

Do we have less drive than our Eastern European counterparts???

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EEatingSoupForLunch · 07/03/2014 13:11

I'm old and lazy. YABU.

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AgaPanthers · 07/03/2014 13:22

You are being ridiculously unreasonable.

"My English friends... They either work in some fancy role and work hard "

So they get maybe £40k a year, twice the average wage, and they are keen.

The average wage in Poland is about £2500 a year. Now they can come here and earn SIX TIMES that much, doing unskilled work.

Why do you think they are keen??????

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TwittyMcTwitterson · 07/03/2014 13:24

Mostly, the polish people I know do not have SAHM nor do they claim benefits.

I don't have many English friends who have kids and work full time. It's me and three others. Everyone else either does minimum or doesn't.

I can't speak for the agency but we pay everyone equally, everyone has breaks and everyone earns over NMW and works 37.5 or 38.5 depending on dept. salaried people do 44.

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Laquitar · 07/03/2014 13:24

YY neonmuffin
although now they are not Polish, they are Bulgarian and Romanian cleaners. Their employers are 'impressed' with their 'work ethic', yeah of course they are. It suits them.
As for the posters above who blame the benefit system and said that in countries with no benefits people are so happy and do labour jobs happily and life is so good....erm in countries with no social security net people sell their babies, they chop their child's hands and send them in the street corner to beg, girls are forced to sex slavery. Would you be happy for our lazy youth to do this? Would you like your dd to have such strong work ethic that she goes abroad to sell her body? There is nothing to envy in countries with no benefit system. But it seems that some people want Britain to go to that direction. Bizarre.

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NigellasDealer · 07/03/2014 13:25

exactly aga, imagine there was a country that we could go to and earn six times the minimum wage doing an unskilled job?
you wouldn't see me for dust and I would be trampled in the rush up the gangplank.
quite honestly i am getting really really tired of hearing about 'lazy Brits' and 'hardworking Poles'.
(Apart from anything else Poland is not 'Eastern Europe' but that is another story)

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limitedperiodonly · 07/03/2014 13:26

I'm currently writing my cv and I'm seriously concerned that people who have this conception won't want to hire me. Im also concerned of them knowing I have DD in case they decide that causes issues with employing me.

This is the consequence of employment being a buyers' market atm OP.

Wages are depressed and people are less insistent on their rights. But it's good for employers - as your one has found.

If you want to get out you'll just have to suck it up and work harder to prove yourself.

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limitedperiodonly · 07/03/2014 13:27

I'm currently writing my cv and I'm seriously concerned that people who have this conception won't want to hire me. Im also concerned of them knowing I have DD in case they decide that causes issues with employing me.

This is the consequence of employment being a buyers' market atm OP.

Wages are depressed and people are less insistent on their rights. But it's good for employers - as your one has found.

If you want to get out you'll just have to suck it up and work harder to prove yourself.

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AgaPanthers · 07/03/2014 13:28

EveesMummy, why do you think big cruise lines staff their cruise ships with Filipino staff rather than Americans?

(And btw many of them have children back home, who they leave behind so they can earn money on the boats.)

Desperate people can be exploited.

British people, thankfully, are not, in general, desperate.

If you would like more of the world's poorest people to come here, then there are dozens more countries besides Poland. It's not some special case with magical robot workers who work incredibly hard for a pittance. People all over the world are exploited. Are we supposed to be pleased that we have that exploitation in Britain?

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TwittyMcTwitterson · 07/03/2014 13:29

Aga, you can't just assume someone eArns 40k. Like you say, that's twice the average and we are only 26 and there about.

I'm not talking about sex slavery, that's a totally separate issue. I'm just saying they work hard. I'm also not saying we shouldn't have a benefits system. Personally, I'm proud that we support those who need it. It's clearly something that makes this country less dangerous and means we can worry less about some things.

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NigellasDealer · 07/03/2014 13:31

I'm not talking about sex slavery, that's a totally separate issue actually no it is not, it is totally connected. If you cannot see that maybe that is why you are stuck in a factory office.
so are you on your lunchbreak now?

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TwittyMcTwitterson · 07/03/2014 13:31

Again, not saying being a SAHM isn't work or means laziness. I'm saying it because it was relevant to a previous post. But yes, as they are here to earn money this makes sense that they don't stay at home.

I think some people are taking my words and twisting/exaggerating them to mean something completely different.

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Pollyputthekettle · 07/03/2014 13:33

Having read through the thread I think it's true you would work hard for a few years in a strange country if it meant you were able to set yourself up for life at home.IE. Able to build yourself a huge house.

I had a Polish cleaner who was a graduate. She has done a business degree or something similar. When I asked her why on earth she was cleaning she remarked the Polish don't mind what job they do. If that's true that's quite a cultural difference to us. I have taken a job several layers below what I used to do and have been greeted with some seriously snooty remarks about it. We do tend to judge people on their occupation. How many times have you been asked what you do as an opening question?

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AgaPanthers · 07/03/2014 13:33

Well the point was they work hard in their 'fancy role', and they are British. If they are not earning even £40k now, well that just proves my point even more doesn't it? They are British workers working hard for barely more than the average wage, on the mere PROSPECT of earning a good wage in the future. That doesn't sound very lazy to me, it seems in fact that even the promise of jam tomorrow is motivating them.

Polish people can come here today, no visa required, and earn six times their average wage at home without delay, doing unskilled work.

Where can British people go, without a visa, and earn £120k/year for unskilled work?

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TwittyMcTwitterson · 07/03/2014 13:33

It's an extreme of this issue if you put in a lot of potentials.

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LimitedEditionLady · 07/03/2014 13:34

I dont have a single friend who is a "bum" and doesnt work?We are all in our twenties most of us have kids and come from a town with very very bad employment statistics.So perhaps it depends on the person?
As for polish workers,if you have left a country for a better life and to escape unemployment you will work had because you will appreciate the chance you have.Im sure there are plenty of polish people who are lazy.

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NigellasDealer · 07/03/2014 13:34

polly they would not have that attitude in their own country, to repeat a point, it a self selected group.

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Owllady · 07/03/2014 13:41

Quite a lot of migrants that come to this country to take on nmw jobs are actually very well educated too. A few of my colleagues were second degree educated, one a trained solicitor.

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limitedperiodonly · 07/03/2014 13:45

When I asked her why on earth she was cleaning she remarked the Polish don't mind what job they do.

They obviously do, because otherwise she wouldn't bother getting a business degree.

I imagine she was cleaning while applying for jobs more suited to her talents and qualifications. Which lots of British graduates do. And those without degrees as well.

You did it yourself. You're British, aren't you?

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Callani · 07/03/2014 13:55

How would the world react if tomorrow the front page of The Times or some other such newspaper had the headline:

"Evidence shows: Over 50s are lazy" or "Not here: Employers reject lazy French immigrants" or even "Calm down dear: Women get paid less because they're naturally lazy" and then backed it up with anecdotal evidence?

Because this is what happens pretty damn regularly for British youth. Barely a month goes by without some newspaper spouting utter tripe about how "the youth of today" are lazy, feckless, can't be bothered to work and it's so offensive and it's used as an excuse to make working conditions harder for the lowest paid jobs.

Don't want to accept zero hours contracts? Lazy - we'll employ a Polish person who will.
Want to take a lunch break during your day? Lazy - we'll employ a Lithuanian person who isn't so entitled.
Want to comply with H&S regulations? Ridiculous - there's plenty of foreigners who don't moan about that.
Want to live in a reasonably sized, legally rented house without damp? Lazy, entitled, feckless and ridiculous - everyone else can adjust their expectations to live in squalor, why can't you?

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Laquitar · 07/03/2014 13:55

It is not a total seperate issue. It is what people do when they are desperate. When you scrap the safety net.when you call the poor 'lazy' and 'thick'.

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LimitedEditionLady · 07/03/2014 18:02

I do get pretty annoyed at being labelled lazy.I had a job the day after I finished my GCSEs.I choose to work and found the job myself,I didnt have to get a job I chose to.I went to college and worked two jobs and the only time I havent worked is maternity leave.I know so many people the same too.

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Bemused33 · 07/03/2014 18:33

My nephews are 19 and 18. My nieces 25 and 23.

I9 year old nephew has worked nearly three weeks with no day off. This is across two jobs.

18 year old nephew works full time on the day he is not at college.

25 year old niece works every hour that her work ask her to do. She is moving into her house on Saturday with her husband. They have lived with her mom and dad for three years to save a deposit and finally have a mortgage.

My other niece is at home with her son but her husband works full time.

Every single job is around NMW and they work darn hard. They are mostly on part-time contracts as it is hard to get a full time one. The fact is they mostly work full -time though just on overtime.

My cousin is currently studying at college and working two jobs and doing a school placement.

It's an unfair generalisation. There are good and bad in everyone.

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limitedperiodonly · 07/03/2014 18:39

OP seems very muddled.

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littlemisssarcastic · 07/03/2014 19:03

There's lazy and hardworking in every age group imo.

I can think of 3 young people I know off of the top of my head who are all 22 years old.

Person A works full time, but has a lot of time off work, usually because they are hungover or tired. They readily admit this and being the owners grandchild means their job is as secure as can be.

Person B works full time, and works hard. Starts very early, always stays late. Has very few ideas about what to do when not working apart from socialising with friends, which isn't easy when on holiday because their friends work too. Always itching to get back to work. Would work 365 days a year if possible.

Person C will do anything to get out of doing any work. Their favourite 3 phrases which they come out with every single day in rotation are 'I can't be arsed.' 'I can't be bothered.' and 'Oh good, that'll get me out of doing any work for a while.'

I know all 3 very well. I work with person C. It is annoying when this person is always saying they cba accompanied by a huge grin. Why anyone would be proud of not being arsed I do not understand. If person C actually just got on with their work instead of complaining about how they cba, they would be finished early, yet they cannot seem to get motivated to start and spend hours every day loitering around trying to strike up conversations with other people who just want to get their work done. Sad
Mind you, I have never understood the attraction of doing nothing.

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TwittyMcTwitterson · 07/03/2014 19:25

Obviously I am British. I have 2 jobs, just stopped my third as it wasn't worth it.

I'm simply saying, in all my experience however hardworking any British person is I will find a harder working polish. Or I for every one hardworking Brit there is 5 hardworking poles. I spoke to my friend about it as obv this thread was on my mind. He's polish. He said there is a different mentality here. If the English people in my factory worked in Poland they would not last. They would simply be sacked.

He will stay here til he is bored. He and his wife, who also works there, are very educated, have worked here for a pretty long time. They haven't saved money but they like the adventure. If you can say England is that, ha!

I'm simply saying in my work English people say it whatever for an easy ride and polish people make sure they do it well. At home it's the same. Even socially, polish people are welcoming and friendly. My polish family are incredible, nothing like my English family. Everyone bitches but generally English people are more stand offish, possibly even to be described as colder. I love my nation, I love English or British people but we could learn a thing or two Grin

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