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To believe £780 month lone parent benefits income is adequate to live on.

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goldfacegreen · 13/01/2014 00:48

There's some myth busting required at last I think.

As a lone parent of two under 6, I receive a total of £780 a month in benefits:

Income Support, Child Tax Credit, Child Benefit, CSA (£5 a week).

I receive full housing benefit for a two bedroom house (£75 shortfall which has to come out of my income support, currently being paid via Housing Discretion Award) which doesnt go into mybank account, it gets paid direct to landlord, and £16 a month council tax shortfall also has to be paid out of income.

I'm on meters and gas and electric are around £20 a week each, some of which pays off accrued debt. Water is deducted directly from my income support via an 'attachment of earnings' type court order.

I don't have loans or credit cards, no landline, no satellite tele, no car, no travel expenses, no socialising costs, don't smoke, my Internet is paid for by someone else although I should have organised a bill swap ages ago Blush and I run an old phone on £10 month contract. My other costs are regular swimming, yoga, wax salon, and I buy school uniform and children's clothing as and when required.

Childcare such as nursery (pre-school), morning and after school clubs are free to those on income support, school holiday clubs are heavily subsidised, as are school meals, dentistry, doctor's prescriptions, council run leisure centre swimming and gym classes, and many other recreation facilities.

My budgeting skills are atrocious but having recently done some sums, I actually have around £250 a month 'spare' from all benefits income. Although for the past year or two I've been constantly overdrawn by around £500 so whenever income is credited, I'm always 'one step forwards, two steps back' amd because of this will never get back in the black again.

So, with better budgeting (I don't buy a regular weekly food shop for instance, instead spend a fortune every few days buying dinners and sundries at the overpriced local Tesco Metro) I just don't understand how so many lone parents claim they can't afford to live on these same benefits.
Even if you have debts, there are features in place to reduce your debt payments to just £1 a week or even write them off altogether as a last resort.

Also, the father of my children earns thousands but fraudulently claims benefits, so he is only required to pay the minimum £2.50 a week per child direct from his benefits. Many lone mothers receive full child support which isn't deducted from their other benefits income, so can be receiving up to £800 a month on top of their benefits depending on what the chikdren's father earns. I have noticed that rarely will lone parents on benefits state this fact or include it in their income along with their complaint.

Yes, it is a struggle trying to support myself and two young children on £780 a month (but mostly because I can't get over this overdraft debt shackle) but on paper, budgeting well, it is entirely doable, and if you are frugal, you could even save a little too.

Why does the Daily Mail stereotype exist that single mothers are rolling in handouts, given the above figures? Just under £195 a week is an adequate income for one adult and two young children, surely..

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HereIsMee · 13/01/2014 01:42

When DS was younger and I was on benefits budgeting wasn't much of a problem. I tended to get exhausted dealing with ridiculous attitudes and often didn't have the energy to jump through hoops. I did the frugal thing like you do but spent a lot in childcare, treatments for myself that should have been free on the NHS, specialist shoes and glasses for DS and transport as I was determined to get off of benefits as I found it frustrating waiting for things that never came. I also subsidised DS's education as he was struggling. We only got cable when DS's dad was being a prat but it's a long story. At the time there was no child support either and when you got it it was counted as income.

Interestingly changing positions from unemployed to student to employee to self employed and then both employed and self employed means that I didn't always get benefits but people of always assume with lone parents that you do so get annoyed about what they think your circumstances are. Over the past few years I've watched all my emails get taken over and constantly hacked and my mail was repeatedly stolen whilst trying to start up and no one really lifted a finger not even the police because they didn't really understand that it was my sole income. They assume a magical payment that I really wouldn't be entitled to.

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TheBigJessie · 13/01/2014 01:43

I live in one of those counties. I know one that charges. Hmm

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HereIsMee · 13/01/2014 01:43

By the way we've had no TV for around 5 years so no tv package costs either.

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itsnotreallymehonest · 13/01/2014 01:43

On a complete hijack of the thread, mse has a great energy club that tells you the best deals and when to switch suppliers.
Also we have both received and given furniture and appliances on freecycle on SE.

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allthingsfluffy · 13/01/2014 01:44

SP, have you not had the TV licence long? I think they take double payments for the first 6months or something.

I pay mine £38 ish every 3 months.

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CrazyHneedsSleep · 13/01/2014 01:44

gold West Yorkshire did you say?

My ex mil was chucked out of her home by partner and had to start again , she went to the council for help and they said they do no such scheme anymore & she asked Bradford/Leeds & Halifax council departments

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SPsMrLoverManSHABBA · 13/01/2014 01:45

I've been here two years. It was £24 before I don't think.

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goldfacegreen · 13/01/2014 01:45

No, wittiwr nickname I never said free buses!

Yes, my housing benefit is paid direct to the landlord because it was a pre-requisite of obtaining the tenancy, as lone parents on benefits are not wholly welcomed by letting agents. I also had to provide a guarantor.

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CouthyMow · 13/01/2014 01:45

My council DOESN'T have a rent deposit scheme, hasn't done for 5 years+. I know, I looked into it when I was desperate for a larger AND adapted house that I had to wait 5 years for, despite the previous one being totally unsuitable got our disabilities.

Bully for you for being in an area that offers all this. Could you tell me where it is? It sounds like fucking Utopia if you can afford yoga and exercise classes and to shop in little local stores that cost far more than big supermarkets...

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IneedAwittierNickname · 13/01/2014 01:46

And for housing we have a 'deposit guarantee scheme' here. The council guarantee that they will pay your deposit should it be needed in the next 2 years. You then have to pay it to the council as a monthly amount, they then give it to your ll. Trouble it, not many lls accept it.

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SPsMrLoverManSHABBA · 13/01/2014 01:46

Couthy We could move there now with just the clothes on our backs as everything's free! Grin

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goldfacegreen · 13/01/2014 01:46

Yes, Crazy but I didn't live ithose areas. It was Calderdale.

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Revenger · 13/01/2014 01:47

The biggest problem with being on benefits IMO is that once you are behind with anything, or if anything breaks, you're screwed. And the likelihood of you getting behind is high because the agencies involved nearly always make a mistake on your claim and then months later decide to take it back out of your benefits. When you're barely making ends meet, these deductions are keenly felt and it's much harder to get back on top.

I don't understand why you have posted op. You say it's enough to live on but you can't get out of your overdraft. Do you have fees associated with your overdraft? I wouldn't say that's 'managing' at all. And wait until you're working. It's not much better. Unless you're lucky enough to land a highly paid job. Which you won't with a huge gap on your cv.

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YoureBeingASillyBilly · 13/01/2014 01:47

SP when i first started paying tv license it was 24 for the first six month because (now bear with me here) it was something to do with paying the full year in the first six months or something. Sorry thats a fucking useless explanation- but i do know there is a reason for it. You'd est ring them though just to ask Grin

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IneedAwittierNickname · 13/01/2014 01:48

Apologies about the buses, I thought I'd read that! Probably shouldn't mn when I'm.so tired!

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SPsMrLoverManSHABBA · 13/01/2014 01:48

Oh I get you. Least there's a reason why Grin

BG are getting call though. Robbing shites. I didn't even ask for a meter. I just came home to one, one day

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goldfacegreen · 13/01/2014 01:48

CoutnyMow it's not a utopia. As I stated, I'm clearly not 'affording' it at present due to the overdraft debt. But if you want to stae or PM me, you never know, we may live in the same county or even district..

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Proudmummytodc2 · 13/01/2014 01:48

Hi I've skipped quiet a lot of this post will go back to read just while it was I my head .. SP I can relate to u with the storage heaters had them in my first house was 12 pound a day just for them and also to come in About the free furniture here in glasgow u get your full house kitted out like carpets beds all white goods for kitchen a sofa ect everything and if your on benefits it's nothing to you this is only run through GHA (glasgow housing association) but as soon as your off benefits it's 161 pound per month could it maybe be same for different parts of the country but we are on benefits as partner just lost his job and desperately trying to find a new one and we had a 2 and a bit year old and 6 month old in August when he lost it and we are struggling bloody redundancy and we can budget very well so don't think it's about budgeting all the time either to not struggle would rather a wage tbh also maternity grant here has changed you only qualify for the 500 if it's your first baby as your supposed to keep everything apparently x

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TheBigJessie · 13/01/2014 01:49

The tv licence site has a page on how to claim www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ260/ refund if you've accidentally paid for two licences which says to me that there was once a commonplace admin error which did that to people (but I'm cynical).

Any possibility you're paying for two licences?

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allthingsfluffy · 13/01/2014 01:50

I think when you first get a TVlicence you pay the first one off in 6 months, then pay the next over a year. So you should check that they haven't just forgotten to put your DD down.

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goldfacegreen · 13/01/2014 01:50

Revenger Absolutely, yes. The CV gap is a problem for all stay at home Mums I agree. It's workable with volunteering and skills courses I'm hoping.

No fees on the overdraft unless it goes over the £500 limit, no.

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CouthyMow · 13/01/2014 01:51

Right, so you plus one DC spend the same as me and my 4 DC's plus medical equipment + extra need for heat. Thought you wrote per month...

Now who's better at budgeting?!

And while you may not be paying for your broadband, I now am, because you HAVE to - my 10yo has to do his fucking READING online, and half his Maths homework, and the less said about the amount my 11yo DS1 and 15yo DD have to do online, the better...

Then you have to add in that as they get older, DC's want / need (long bus journeys to and from school, multiple stabbings recently and they arrive home in the dark...) mobiles and credit too. And their clothes get dearer, and can't be found in charity shops - no 15yo girl is going to wear a granny's cast offs...

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jacks365 · 13/01/2014 01:51

Childcare yes there is the 15 hours free pre school which is available to everyone from 3. There is no free before and after school care for children whose parents are on income support because it is not deemed necessary. Some schools may provide a free breakfast club for those on fsm but that is to ensure vulnerable children eat in the morning. It also isn't across the board and is down to the individual school.

My area has a furniture supply but you need a referral from social services or some such organisation so only for exceptional circumstances. Gas and electric will very much depend on the property so for example my electric is much lower than yours but my gas much higher.

Other things affect how you manage too for example if you've fled a domestic violence situation you may have only been able to take limited clothing which means there are a lot of things to replace, bedding, towels, tea towels etc but if it's a relationship breakdown and you separate amicably you are in a stronger position.

There are so many things which make a difference that you can't compare yourself to anyone else.

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CrazyHneedsSleep · 13/01/2014 01:51

So your telling me that a village/extremely small town Like Calderdale has a free furniture scheme & yet a major place such as Leeds doesn't Hmm

Thats codswollop if I ever heard it !

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SPsMrLoverManSHABBA · 13/01/2014 01:52

I will give them a ring tomorrow too.

proud Storage heaters are a basterd. It was £5 just for.one heater which was pit on while my son was in the bath so his room was warm.

Most useless things ever invented

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