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To not buy dd1 the "ONLY thing in the world" she wants for xmas/birthday?

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D0oinMeCleanin · 06/11/2013 10:15

She will even "sell me her Kindle Fire, 3DS, ipod nano, ipig and her soul" if I buy her one. She tried to sell me her Xbox, until I pointed out that it was not hers to sell and already belonged to me Grin She won't sell me her bike, she loves it too much.

She wants an ipad air. I do not want to buy her one. Not because we cannot afford one, it would be a big chunk of our christmas budget and she'd have to not do any big birthday celebrations, but we could afford one just.

The reason I do not want to buy her one is that a) I begrudge paying Apple's prices which I believe are massively inflated simply because it is an Apple product and people blindly believe they are best (although admittedly upon looking further into it ipad air is very impressive, but then so is the new Google Nexus) and b) Going on what she is wanting to use it for, there are more suitable, cheaper tablets out there for her, that do the job just as well but without Apple's price tag.

She is wanting it primarily for taking photos and videos, watching movies on the go and playing minecraft. The Galaxy Tab 2 is just as suitable for her. It's processor is slower, but as she is not as massive gamer, she'll hardly notice this and it's camera is not as good, but she is not a photographer, she wants it simply to take photos of her dogs to edit in photo editor/whatever it is she uses, a 3MP camera will do the job adequately. When it comes to watching movies, the ipad air has a much better display, however once you get past 1080p, the difference is hardly noticeable, imo, the Tab 2 has a bigger screen (something which she would notice) and plays a higher number of file types, meaning less pestering me to convert files for her and the Tab 2 has expandable memory, which she will need.

She also wants Skype/Facetime etc. to keep in touch with her Aunt. Both devices have HD web cams.

And the biggest bonus is that the Tab 2 is significantly cheaper. I do not believe the Air is £200+ better than the Tab 2. Plus 2 weeks after she gets it, she'll be moaning she's run out of space on it and asking me where her memory card is so she can swap it for a bigger one, just like she did with her ipod and kindle fire.

I've spoken to her about this and she is adamant that it is ONLY the ipad air she wants, although she is unable to tell me why beyond "It's the best because it's ipad and all my friends have one and Mr. X (her new teacher) has one because it's the best and if he says it's the best, it must be the best, btw we also need to buy a Mac because they are better than Windows PCs"

If she can't have the ipad Air, she'd rather have the cash to save towards the ipad, than the Tab 2.

She's a bit of a sheep and easily sold to.

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Bramshott · 06/11/2013 12:24

This all sounds far too intense and time-consuming for me. If DD1 (also 10, nearly 11) asked for a tablet I think I'd just laugh and move on to the next thing!

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D0oinMeCleanin · 06/11/2013 12:25

didl, she's never been into toys. Crafts, outdoors, pets and gadgets - not toys or dolls. She'll ask for dolls and then never use them, so people stopped buying her them. I still remember the £55 doll that my mum bought her, that she needed because the telly box told her she needed it, it was still in it's box until earlier this year when she sold it to her baby cousin for a packet of Haribo.

Every Christmas and every birthday since she was old enough to talk she's asked for the same things. A puppy and an ipad. She's always given alternatives when asked and been grateful for what she has been given.

This year she has been more specific, she wants an ipad air and our foster puppy (this bypasses the Santa doesn't do livestock rule in her mind because the foster puppy is already here - all Santa has to do is donate to charity on dd1's behalf) she accepts that we won't be keeping the foster puppy and the reasons why, but there were tears, begging, bargaining and mild emotional blackmail before she reluctantly accepted that the foster puppy will be continuing to look for a new home. I already feel quite bad about this as it's the first foster dog dd1 has ever asked to keep. According to dd1 it's the first one that's loved her and the first one she has loved back Sad She does understand my reasons and did apologise for using emotional blackmail on me.

She's getting craft things from other relatives and the only outdoor toy she uses now is her beloved bike which she does not want to upgrade.

I don't think she'll want an upgrade when a new model comes out. She's really not like that. She didn't upgrade her NDS Lite when they brought out new ones until they brought one out that did something completely different. She never asked for the NDSi or whatever it was that all her friends kept bringing round. She's happy with the old family wii and never asked for the new version. She's never asked to upgrade her netbook, despite it now not doing what wants to use her own computer for (the netbook was another "ooh, shiny, I need it" purchase that she was advised against but needed because it was blue and shiny and not plain and black like the laptop she was advised to get instead). She accepts that she chose it and now has to live with it (she is currently collecting old computers and parts in the hope of building herself a "free computer")

She only wants to upgrade her Kindle to the ipad because she bought the wrong thing, despite being warned that it did not do what other tablets do and she would regret it.

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diddl · 06/11/2013 12:29

"ds1 has saved £100, so we are paying the rest"

So that's not the case, then!

I thought that the money was for the PS4.

He's very kind to buy his own controller & games that his brother can also use.

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bonkersLFDT20 · 06/11/2013 12:30

When my DS went from primary to secondary school, he started mixing with children who have parents who work in the City i.e. earn lots of money.

Many have all the latest gadgets with upgrades as and when they come out. Many of them can't think of anything they'd like for Xmas or Birthdays because they have it all. I think this breeds a generation of children who expect immediate gratification or define the worth of a person by what possessions they have.

At 10 years old I really don't think she really knows what she truly wants when it comes to the complexities of technical specifications. Has she looked into technical support, compatibility with other gadgets in the home, add ons? I know I certainly wouldn't spend that much on a single item without doing masses of research. Saying "everyone has one" is an immature response (though an appropriate one for a 10 year old).

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BeQuicksieorBeDead · 06/11/2013 12:32

I would say no. it is too much money. If she wants cash, give what you would normally spend on her main present... But I think caving to the same pressure she is under to have the best gadget doesnt help her understand the evils of marketing!

Plus I think this teacher should sort himself out - how are the kids feeling who can't join the cool club, because they dont have the technology at home to play minecraft?! Nice!

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YouTheCat · 06/11/2013 12:37

She only wants to upgrade her Kindle to the ipad because she bought the wrong thing, despite being warned that it did not do what other tablets do and she would regret it.

This^ she will then find out that the ipad air doesn't have the features she needs for any long term use and you'll be back to square one.

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ErrolTheDragon · 06/11/2013 12:37

Sounds like she already has a history of choosing the wrong hardware and hasn't learned to heed advice. You're a sensible woman, Dooin - you know YANBU to not buy it for her.

Do 'all her friends' really have one? (my DD is 14 and 'all' of them have ipad minis)

TBH I'd have a quiet word with her teacher - he really shouldn't be saying anything that makes kids think they must have an expensive new ipad (and a mac?).

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NoComet · 06/11/2013 12:37

I have a kindle fire HD, a very generous, unexpected birthday, Christmas present from my family last year.

And I really don't like it. I MN on my iphone, because I can't get a decent spell checker on the Fire and the Silk browser is so slow.

DD1 has an Android phone and she doesn't like it either. All her apps, books, music are on a worn out touch.

She has pretty much said she doesn't want anything expensive for Christmas/Birthday if she can have an iPhone next August when her contract is up.

There is simply no getting away from the fact that despite ITunes being a total lock in and a pain in the arse,

Apple hardware and interfaces are just a Million times sleeker, smoother and sexier. If their interface clicks with you, everything else just feels clunky and as if it's playing catch up.

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diddl · 06/11/2013 12:40

Thinking about it though, kids selling stuff/saving up so that they can have what they want, isn't really in the spirit of Christmas, is it?

If she really wouldn't want the compromise then she shouldn't have a tablet imo.

It has all got ridiculous.

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D0oinMeCleanin · 06/11/2013 12:41

I think they all do have Minecraft at home BeQuicksie, some don't have their own tablets/have them but are not allowed to take them to school, so are allowed to use the school's ipads during freetime. This is all according to dd1 of course, although I did get a letter telling me where I could download the free version of Minecraft and what platforms it was available on and that she would be allowed to bring her own tablet in on a Friday afternoon but that one would be provided if she didn't have one.

They also are given time during "freetime" to use the school's Macbook to contribute to the "homework" project, if they want to. Dd1 uses freetime to "build her bits of the world" Confused because she doesn't have a login for Minecraft so can't do it from home. None of this means anything to me. All I know about Minecraft is that it is some kind of virtual lego game and there are things called creepers in it.

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IamInvisible · 06/11/2013 12:42

I would compromise with an iPad mini (£249 at John Lewis with a 2 year guarantee) or a different tablet.

We do have iPads, DH has an iPad mini, but my kids are older. They wouldn't have got one at 10.

I am having a similar argument with DS2 over an iPhone5s. I keep showing him how much the total contract costs, he still wants one. I point out the other phones that do exactly the same thing, he doesn't need the Apple specific things because he has an iPad, but he 'neeeeeeeeeeddddddddddsssssss' it! DS1(18) saw one contract that cost over £800, he said "fuck that for a phone!"

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Isildur · 06/11/2013 12:44

Apart from anything else, you'd need at least the 32GB model. So £400 wouldn't really cut it.

If you had oodles of cash and could afford to treat the thing like a toy, I'd say buy it.

If you exist within the realms of mere mortals, probably not.

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Mumsyblouse · 06/11/2013 12:46

So, my nearly 10 year old was right, everyone does have this stuff! Unfortunately for her, I don't want to spend £400 on anything, nor do we have it so her life lesson will have to remain you can't always have the stuff you want.

I am astonished how much stuff your dd has (mine has none of this, one cheapy tablet between the two of them, uses my laptop if spare). I am astonished your family got her a £55 doll as well off the telly.

I think you just need to be a bit firmer about material goods/what you want her to have. Plus in a few years, if she is still very into goods, she can get a paper round/part-time job to fund this.

Why don't you subscribe her to Minecraft -it's about £17!

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Yardarm · 06/11/2013 12:48

I wouldn't get one for my 10 yo. We got him a very much cheaper tablet which does most things fine. They have to learn they can't always have the best of everything. Luckily he doesn't maven much peer pressure from friends, which certainly helps.

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2tiredtoScare · 06/11/2013 12:48

What's suicide netting?

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Yardarm · 06/11/2013 12:49

doesn't HAVE much peer pressure!

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KerwhizzedMyself · 06/11/2013 12:50

Don't you think you should be more concerned about her following the "telly box" and being a sheep who is easily sold to than about whether to buy her another gadget or not? Hmm

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Greenkit · 06/11/2013 12:55

Be thankful you dont have my daughter, who at the ripe old age of 17yrs would like a real live cow for Christmas...

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DropYourSword · 06/11/2013 12:55

Not sure if anyone has already said this, but if you do decide not to get it (as it sounds at the moment, and I don't blame you!!) then I think you should advise her rather than her find out on Christmas day. I KNOW she shouldn't be entitled etc but I truly think adults sometimes forget how it feels to be a kid and that they don't necessarily think rationally or logically. The one that's cheaper that does everything she needs IS a more logical choice, but it doesn't mean she won't be upset if she opens it at Christmas and it's not what she was expecting.
I'm not sure I'm really phrasing myself well here so I hope you get what I mean.

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2tiredtoScare · 06/11/2013 12:59

Last xmas my 3 year old was desperate for a wheelchair as a present

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ErrolTheDragon · 06/11/2013 13:00

Be thankful you dont have my daughter, who at the ripe old age of 17yrs would like a real live cow for Christmas...

mine would like a cow too... though what she seriously wanted for the last two years was some hissing cockroaches. Kids can't always have what they want even if they're affordable!

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Mmelindor · 06/11/2013 13:01

Why does it have to be the Air?

What about compromising on a iPad mini?

I bought DS an Android tablet last year, and very much regret it. He never uses it, and prefers to pinch my old iPad1.

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D0oinMeCleanin · 06/11/2013 13:02

Yes I get what you mean, DropYourSword, which is why I spent last night with her showing her different options and explaining the specifications and pros and cons to each version and reminding her that every other time she's not listened to me, she has been proven to be wrong in time a la the kindle.

At the moment she's been told that her choice is the Tab 2 or nothing unless she can give me a valid reason as to why only the ipad air will do and what and how it does that she needs it to do that the Tab 2 cannot do.

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ErrolTheDragon · 06/11/2013 13:04

perhaps you should ask that dratted teacher the same question (in relation to the needs of a child)

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Alibabaandthe40nappies · 06/11/2013 13:15

We bought our DCs an Android tablet to share last Christmas. It never gets used, instead they use our old iPad.

I think Do0in that you are right to not get this for her, it is very expensive and she is obviously prone to deciding she wants things on a whim just because they are new and shiny.

In principle though, there is nothing wrong with buying a tablet for a young child, and there is nothing wrong with spending £400, or £700, on a present for a child provided you can afford it.
Better to spend £400 on what they really want and is a good quality product, than half the amount on a huge pile of crappy toys that won't get played with.
MN hair-shirt hysteria about Christmas presents is very irritating!

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