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To want dh's family to acknowledge Dewali?

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nesticles · 30/09/2013 02:19

I am Hindu and dh is english not religious. For 3 years I have willingly hosted ils for christmas dinner, cooking a turkey even though I am a strict vegetarian. I always make a huge effort with presents (that normally get returned even if it was on the list ils gave me) and making everything from scratch (helps that I love cooking) cos I know it is important to ils and dh.
I have a bit of history with ils (not aproving of me because I am indian). They kicked up a huge fuss around indian wedding etc.
I have been with dh almost 10 years and we have a 7 month old ds. My religion is quite important to me and we want to bring ds up knowing and selebrating both Christmas and dewali in the traditional way. The last 3/4 years ils have completely ignored Dewali and not tried to understand me or what I believe. DH and I weren't living together before that and I was studying abroad and at uni so didn't expect it. I guess I just thaught as I have become part of their family they might've wanted to acknowledge who I am. I don't want ds to see this dismissal of my beliefs and am wondering. Am I expecting too much? Am I just cross because of the history? Am I angry because even after dropping hints about dewali with dates they have still ignored it? Am I just simply expecting too much for something that is just not their festival? Am I really upset because I go to so much effort for something I don't believe in but respect and they can't give me the same respect? I wouldn't expect mil to cook a curry (she would never do! can't stand foreign food) just a "happy Dewali" phone call will do. I would even understand if she called me up in the summer and asked me when Dewali was (dates change every year) even though it's easy to just do a Google search. Please tell me am I just asking too much?Or am I really cross because my parents by tree, decorate house, give presents to dh and ils and generally make a huge fuss over Christmas even though we never did it growing up? They feel dh is part of the family and we need to respect everyone's veliefs and selebrate them. Dh understands but doesn't know how we can make a change. I can't understand why I can't just let this one go as I do with so much else when it comes to ils. Thank you for reading my nightime ramble.

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KatieScarlett2833 · 04/10/2013 19:05

Loving "shit sandwich" Grin
Ignore the miserable gits, you sound fab and if I were your MIL I would be thanking all my gods that you married my son.

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nesticles · 07/10/2013 15:24

Thank you Katie. We have done what others have suggested and invited them to our Diwali party. They have politely refused. Oh well I will have an amazing time with DH our friends and family with fireworks, food and prezies. Yay!

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TheHeadlessLadyofCannock · 07/10/2013 15:33

Have a lovely party, OP! It's their loss.

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forehead · 07/10/2013 15:37

Have a great time OP.
BTW, i think that you should 'politely' choose not to do Christmas this year.
I actually pity your pil, they are missing out on so much.

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ZZZenagain · 07/10/2013 15:48

I think they will never come round to calling you to wish you a happy diwali. Best try to let go off that, it will just keep hurting you if you expect something that never comes. Invite them every year and don't expect them to come.

Generally though YANBU to be unhappy with their rejection of you and your Background. This is a hard one to have to deal with. Sorry it has been like this for you so far

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nesticles · 08/10/2013 10:37

Thank you. I think I've just been flogging a dead horse if I'm really being honest with myself. How two people raised my kind, caring and open minded dh I'll never understand. I think cos they were fine with me till we got engaged I've found the last 3 years or so a hard adjustment and it feels so personal. I will do Christmas for dh and ds as they've done nothing wrong but I'll do it my way...it'll be vegie, I'll invite some friends who I know for a fact have no family in the UK and it will be all about the kids. stands a bit taller and cancils the turkey crown

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Scarifying · 08/10/2013 10:41

You go girl! Grin

Nutroasts all round.

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Milkjug · 08/10/2013 10:56

Good for you, OP. And have a lovely Diwali. I'm Catholic, and I'm definitely going to be celebrating with friends!

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nesticles · 08/10/2013 13:15

Thanks, I sent the email to mil about vegie Christmas and am just waiting for the outrage. dh is completely behind this and is happy to try something new. Anyone have any good vegie Christmas dinner recipes? I'm done caring and trying and hoping. I have now also decided to start pulling mil and fil up on words like coloured and halfcast. I am done trying to keep the peace and playing nice. Thanks to all the posters who read my post and understood that I wasn't asking for pils to selebrate anything they didn't believe in just to acknowledge. I hope ds grows up to be open minded and interested in other people's beliefs and customs.

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TheHeadlessLadyofCannock · 08/10/2013 13:40

Good on you, OP! We're all here for you if any shit hits fans Grin

As for Christmas dinner, what would you cook for any special meal? Just make the things you love and love sharing with people. That's what celebratory food is all about IMO.

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Donkeyok · 08/10/2013 21:14

Glad to hear your going to have a wonderful Diwali. Can you recommend Indian sweets for brownies (not Indian to try for first time at their party don't know any suppliers near Stockport?)

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Donkeyok · 08/10/2013 21:16

Glad to hear your going to have a wonderful Diwali. Can you recommend Indian sweets for brownies (not Indian to try for first time at their party don't know any suppliers near Stockport?)

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Donkeyok · 08/10/2013 21:17

whoops Blush

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Blu · 08/10/2013 21:44

nesticles, I think you are doing brilliantly in a very difficult situation, given the horrible attitudes of your ILs.

My DP is a 'cultural Hindu' - that is to say his family celebrate Diwali wholeheartedly in a cultural sense but are not really religious. And my family, non-religious, cultural English, are invited to a Diwali dinner, fireworks, mithai etc and everyone has a great time. This works very well for DS, and ideally in a multi-cultural family it is a positive thing if people are enthusiastically reciprocal and treat each culture equally, and I can see why you would like that for your child. 'When in Rome' and 'my house my rules' are such mean-minded reductive ways of thinking, IMO!

However, your ILs might be at a loss, or worried about 'doing it wrong', it's hard to know the exact date to acknowledge Diwali, and they sound as if they are inflexible, and unadventurous and set in their ways. Just invite them over and hope they have a good time. And if they are snotty about it, next year invite them to Holi and don't warn them Grin.

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Blu · 08/10/2013 21:46

Oh, sorry, I missed your post that says they have declined the Diwali invitation.

Their loss!

Such a shame that they will understand so little of half their grandchild's life.

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Mimishimi · 09/10/2013 05:53

And happy Navratri OP :)

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Mimishimi · 09/10/2013 06:08

I have a really good semi-vegetarian (it has eggs) Christmas recipe with sweet potato which everyone, non-vegetarians included, loved a couple of years ago when the in-laws were over and we invited sone friends as well. It was a bit tricky to make the roulade base (I'm hopeless with eggwhites) but worked out very well when they were beaten in a plastic bowl instead of a metal one.

Just tried to find the link but it doesn't show up at the top for me to copy directly so go to //www.taste.com.au and type in sweet potato and leek roulade in the recipe search box. You don't need to be a member or buy the magazine (yet). It was awesome with their cranberry relish recipe ( one by Alison Adams).

2 tsp olive oil
1 red onion, finely chopped
2cm-piece fresh ginger, peeled, cut into thin matchsticks
170g pkt craisins (dried cranberries)
100g (1/2 cup, firmly packed) brown sugar
125ml (1/2 cup) red wine
125ml (1/2 cup) water
2 tbs red wine vinegar
1 dried bay leaf
a pinch of ground cinnamon.

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nesticles · 09/10/2013 12:43

Oh gosh! I can not imagine ils at Holi. I wanna do it and hope they come for the commedy value. Thanks for the recipe...are eggs a big part of the recipe or can I leave them out or swap for an egg replacer? I'm near London so am not sure about Stock Port but if you go in to an indian restaurant they might be able to point you in the right dirrection. I do feel sad for ds that he won't grow up seeing gps take part in that half of him but hopefully if I don't make a big deal of it it won't matter. However mean my ils are to me I don't want ds to think badly of them. I wouldn't have my lovely dh if it wasn't for them so I should be greatful for that.

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Chopstheduck · 09/10/2013 15:15

Grin at in laws at Holi, you should so do it! Purely for the benefit of your little one of course...Grin


I would go with whatever is special to your family at Christmas. We did a huge indian feast one year, full works with bhajia starters, lots of different currys, all veggie. You could even do homemade shrikhand for dessert! The only thing that was annoying was spending an hour in the kitchen making roti for eleven people.


Donkeyok - I found this, that is a chain, not brilliant sweets, but perfectly adequate.


Ambala
227 Wilmslow Road
Manchester M14 5AG


it's 5 miles from Stockport. For kids def try the jalebi (pronounced more like gell-oh-bee) and chocolate burfi. (bur-fee) Both words with emphasis on the first syllabel. You could also get some gathia (gart-ee--ah). which my boys absolutely love. It's a deep fried savoury snack.

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RunRabbit · 09/10/2013 15:59

I don't think this has anything to do with their not acknowledging a Religious holiday TBH.

Afraid of turning your H Indian, referring to people as coloured, not approving of you because you're Indian.... They sound racist.

I would definitely not be bending over backwards to please them.

Accept that they may never approve of you and move on and live your life with your family.

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amicissimma · 09/10/2013 19:14

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Donkeyok · 09/10/2013 21:04

Thank you chopstheduck I will definitely get there. Thanks so much for the suggestions. Its great to be authentic Flowers

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goingmadinthecountry · 09/10/2013 22:21

My outlaws don't talk to me anyway, but if they did I'd expect them to join in any celebrations that came from me/my side of family. Hey, they are racist old school "British" so I could whistle all year.

Personally I love the idea of merging family celebrations and marking new stuff. That's how we evolve as humans. Happy Diwali.

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howrudeforme · 09/10/2013 22:26

Oh dunno -really don't - grew up in an Hindu/Christian household and I'm old. Yet it wasn't really christian or hindu if I'm honest because they weren't particularly devout in either of their faiths.

I don't ever remember english gran at big hindu funerals or diwali or any other indian getogether just like my indian gran had no concept of christmas etc. Didn't compromise me at all because I was not brought up in a religious tug of war - rather these events were merely about CULTURE and the various facets of my family. It was actually fun.

And that's where you probably feel aggrieved - that you're trying to keep your roots in an environment that is not default yours.

I'm at the stage where my friends call to say happy diwali and i repond 'bloody hell - better phone my mum'. I phone my mum with greetings and she's 'bloody hell - is it? I'd better phone the family with greetings etc'. The only reason I know christmas because it's pretty big on the calendar and a public holiday. I struggle with it.

But I get you in this way - these days people are really into diversity (in the UK at least) and so I'm totally miffed that my italian in laws instisted on serving beef at my bloody wedding even after I explained I wanted to invite my mum's family who are veggie!And that they bemoan the fact that their grandkid is not yet baptised. The fact their grandchild is part asian is unmentionable. So it's about culture in my view.

We want our upbringings validated.


My mum made the christian festival effort because she came to live in a christian country (makes her no less hindu). I make the effort in Italy because it's a catholic country but I don't in the UK. My dad made the effort in Brazil as it's a catholic country but he doesn't in the UK.

So, I'm sort of on the fence. Get what you're saying but it's about culture really IMO and my experience.

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nesticles · 10/10/2013 16:51

Thanks...I've found it really interesting listening to someone who grow up in a hindu and christian household. My parents are quite religious so my faith is a big part of my life. I get the wedding and mixing cultures thing...my mil caused such an awful fight that her and my relationship will never be the same. I just think the complete regection of me and what I believe in is a bit hard. When ds was born and we told people the name she was like "thank god it isn't an indian name" I in my painkiller state said "Thank god your just his grandma and won't be able to fill his ears full of such racist crap on a da daily basis...and don't forget mil he is half indian so will probably get browner as he gets older! Now kindly leave as I want to bond with my ds without you spoiling it!" felt so good!

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