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Stranger touching DS in station store - v v long, but seeking reassurance that IWNBU

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GertrudeSlojinski · 14/07/2013 03:01

After a looong day, DS (4yo) and I popped into a store at Victoria Station to pick up a piece of plastic tat little toy I had promised him. DS is standing right next to me looking at one stand, I was looking at the opposite stand. DS and I don't look very alike at all, so it is possible that anyone looking at us could have thought he was unaccompanied (other than the lady i.e. me! standing within 45cm of him!).

Suddenly, out of the blue, a man (white male, wearing glasses, 50s/60s, approx 5'10", wearing a casual suit but of slightly dishevelled appearance) appears/stands next to DS - he is looking higher up the same stand and, without removing his gaze from that higher level, puts his arm around DS and starts to touch/fondle DS's shoulder whilst appearing to pull DS closer to him as though to lead him away. Poor DS froze! It happened in a split second and was clearly deliberate!

I immediately pulled DS away and challenged the man, telling him to get his hands off my son and not deign to touch him again. The man looks at me as though in anger but says nothing. I don't know how to explain it but his reaction made me think that perhaps he was not NT. He offered no explanation/excuse at all (e.g. he thought DS was alone and was trying to help). He then looks over at the stand again in a bid (I assume) to ignore me. I challenge him again, telling him he had no right to approach or lay a finger on my son. He turns to me and his response (said in a low voice but which he deliberately intended me to hear) was, "And why shouldn't I?". This chilled me to the bone and I pointed out that there was a video camera trained directly at us and I would report the incident to the British Transport Police. I turn around to find a member of staff - whilst telling them what just happened and pointing the man out to them, the man slips past us, leaving the store.

At this point, I deliberately made a decision to follow him out of the store. My short-term memory is atrocious and, having been a victim of an assault a few years ago, I remembered how difficult it was to give an accurate eye-witness description of the perpetrators. I almost wanted to leave it be but, given his reaction on being challenged, all I could think was that the man was clearly a risk (be that to himself if he in fact was not NT, or others).

I found him standing in the station concourse staring at the display (without his glasses on), as though looking for a train to catch. I took my phone out and said to him that I was going to take a photo of him and send it on to the BTP (I know you can take photos of people in public areas without requesting their consent, but I wanted to avoid any possibility of my actions being accused as underhand/surreptitious). He appeared to take a step towards me and DS and I say again loudly that he is not to touch my child. I wanted to get as many people's attention as possible. I leave the man staring after DS and I, and we return to the store. I tell the staff again what just happened, that I had taken a photo of the man and that I was going to file a report with the BTP. They reassured me and told me that they would happily give up any CCTV to the BTP to assist. To try and regain some normalcy for DS and reassure him that he had done nothing wrong, DS and I continue browsing.

One of the store staff suddenly approached me and DS and asked if I would recognise the man. I said yes and asked why. Turns out the man had just come back into the store! He was approaching the children's section again but on seeing me and the member of staff looking at him, turns on his heel and leaves the store. He goes to sit on one of the public benches and proceeds to stare into the store.

At this point, I decide that I shouldn't wait to file a report with the BTP. I head back into the station (the man stares at me and DS, and I stared back to show I was not going to be cowed) and approach the ticket barriers and request that the guards contact the BTP. All the while, the man is still sitting on the same bench but, by this time, has turned around/changed his seat to face me and DS. I pick DS up and turn his face away so he can't see the man staring at us, and I explain to him what is going on. A member of the BTP finally turns up after what seems like ages. I look towards the bench but the man appears to have moved on shortly before.

After a brief walk-around, we never did find the man. Long story short, the BTP took a statement from me and I emailed them the pictures there and then. I was nervous that perhaps I had overreacted but they reassured me that I had done the right thing. They said that they would put his details out to the guards at the barriers to be on the look-out should he try to board a train.

Then, half an hour later, I receive a phone call from the Met who appear to imply that it is only worth their pursuing it if I thought there was any adverse intent to the man's actions. The officer I spoke to didn't use the word "sexual" at any point, but it seemed clear to me that that was what he meant. I told him that I could not say with all certainty what the man's intention was, but it clearly could not be positive if he made no attempt to offer any rational explanation about/for his behaviour. I was told they will contact me should anything come up.

I'm not hopeful that the man will be found. I am still shaking and seething about the whole thing. I have, in the past, given DS the "talk" several times about what to do if he is approached by anyone, strangers or not, and that he is to tell them in a loud voice to leave him alone and immediately shout for/come and get me or his father, but my poor 4yo just froze in shock/fear. I feel like I failed to protect DS, and worse, may even have put him at further risk by going after the man to take a photo. All I could think the whole time was that I wanted to hit the man for touching my baby and make sure he doesn't get the chance to do that to someone else's child. Now finding it hard to sleep as I keep replaying the incident in my head. I know in my heart of hearts that my actions were probably not unreasonable, but some reassurance would be much appreciated.

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JesusInTheCabbageVan · 15/07/2013 20:56

Gertrude Really sorry to hear it, and sorry you have such an unsupportive dick in your family. I can honestly say that all sorts of things went through my head when reading your OP - mostly revulsion and sympathy for you and your poor DS - but... "Should have been watching him"? No.

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maddening · 15/07/2013 21:07

really what the police should be doing is checking that this person isn't already known to them (eg sex offenders register in which case a potential attempted abduction if he were a known sex offender or approaching a child in such a manner might breach existing orders etc)and maybe alerting the shops in surrounding areas to keep an eye out for him - it isn't a case of wanting him arrested as obviously it is just "suspicions" thank goodness - but they should be checking that nothing sinister is going on there !

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Mhysa · 15/07/2013 21:10

Your family member should hang there head in shame Shock
OP, your one brave lady and a great Mum who protected your DS AND possibly other children.

Am Angry at the police, but not surprised tbh (see my post upthread] the man who tried to grab my DD was like a crazed animal, there was no mistaking the lunges and grabbing, but I certainly didn't feel justice had been done Sad but you OP, did all you possible could and should be very proud of yourself Thanks

Rest in the knowledge that your DS knows he has you to keep him safe and hopefully, like my DD, will not remember the incident x

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Yonionekanobe · 15/07/2013 21:20

OP, as someone who regularly uses Victoria (daily alone and weekly with DC) - THANK YOU Thanks

And I hope your family realises how ridiculous and crass they are being.

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Jux · 15/07/2013 22:04

Well done, op. YANBU, and I'm a bit Shock the police are acting like it was nothing.

To your family, how do you think Gertrude could give such a complete description of what happened if she hadn't had her eyes on her ds? You are being pretty silly. IMO.

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edam · 15/07/2013 23:06

I'm saddened by the police response. Seems to be 'stop asking us to do our job'. Pathetic.

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Horsemad · 16/07/2013 00:00

OP, you are amazing

You were so calm and dealt with the situation really well. And now you are continuing the good work by insisting the police take your complaint seriously.

Your DS is a lucky boy to have you for his mum.

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Jan49 · 16/07/2013 00:09

It sounds like the police aren't interesting in dealing with it because the man hasn't actually committed a crime yet. If a child was abducted, lots of resources would be used to try to find him/her, but a few resources used now might stop that man from becoming an abductor.Angry

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BrianTheMole · 16/07/2013 00:18

No, do not let this drop. That man will without a doubt do it again and the consequences could be tragic. Raise a complaint with the police and demand they take it further. I'd get on to your Mp if you get no joy with the police.

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StillInBigKnickers · 16/07/2013 00:33

Holy crap OP just read this.

  • hell yes you are reasonable to ensure the safety of your child!

Thank you for reporting this - I live nowhere near but the fact that you have made a small difference in keeping other children safe is appreciated. I hope that comes across as genuinely as I intend it, well past bedtime!
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SingingSands · 16/07/2013 00:48

Well done OP, this is a frightening story and you have done everything right. And next time it could be one of our children, at the same station or another. At the very least you would hope that his picture was circulated to all the retailers at the station, but from what you've said of the police I doubt it. I would be tempted to email his photo and description of his actions myself to each retailer.

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Mammyisthegirl · 16/07/2013 01:33

Not even remotely unreasonable! In fact, good one for keeping your head and getting a photo of him! Very, very creepy behaviour on his part.

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MorganMummy · 16/07/2013 01:55

Thank you for your bravery and level-headedness.

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GingerBlondecat · 16/07/2013 05:01

I still do not know what NT stands for ?? Please? Anyone ??

(((((((((((((((Hugs)))))))))))))) OP. Flowers

Time to ramp up Media is the next stop.

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YoniMatopoeia · 16/07/2013 05:24

NT = neuro typical (no special needs)

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GingerBlondecat · 16/07/2013 05:27

OK, Thanks Smile

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pigletmania · 16/07/2013 08:29

Edam exactly, they don't want to be bothered doing their job Angry. What are they there fore than, wearing a nice uniform and looking pretty Hmm.

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beginnings · 16/07/2013 08:38

OP, you are brilliant, thank you. Flowers

The response from the police is astoundingly awful. I would be contacting my MP and the IPCC today if I were you. Just send them your posts from this thread, no other explanation is needed.

As for your family member, just Shock

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PurpleRayne · 16/07/2013 08:51

I'd blog this. And let it hit the social media.

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FlankShaftMcWap · 16/07/2013 08:57

Oh bloody hell, late to this thread and I am gobsmacked at the police response! Did they offer any suggestion as to why anyone with non malicious intent would have replied with "why shouldn't I" when asked why they were attempting to pull someone's child close to their body?? I mean the fact that he stayed silent for so long before answering you means he had every chance to concoct a plausible excuse of he had chosen to, his actual response is brazen!
I wonder if it would be worth tweeting this thread and tagging BTP and any other relevant parties. The woeful way this has been handled needs to be highlighted. I won't tweet unless you come back with the OK OP.

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twinklyfingers · 16/07/2013 09:40

Gertrude I just wanted to say thank you to you for writing about this here. I think you acted intelligently and sensibly to protect your son. I don't think it would have occurred to me to take photos and I may even have been too shocked and confused to report it. Having read your response, I hope, if I am ever unfortunate enough for something similar to happen to my dc, that I remember your actions and act accordingly.

Your account of the incident and the police response gave me goosebumps. I hope the police do persue it, he sounds like a potentially very dangerous man and I am surprised and disappointed that the police don't want to recognise how the behaviour he displayed could so easily escalate. If the police choose not to persue, I hope you can rest assured that you did all you could. You protected your son and gave the police the evidence.

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minouminou · 16/07/2013 09:43

Family member....you're a callous tosser.
Your answer to OP just tells us that you are too self-absorbed, weak and cowardly to accept that freaks like this guy exist and need to be dealt with, and so you fall to the default position of victim blaming.

Shame on you.

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Rootatoot · 16/07/2013 10:07

I second what Brian said and Beginnings

"No, do not let this drop. That man will without a doubt do it again and the consequences could be tragic. Raise a complaint with the police and demand they take it further. I'd get on to your Mp if you get no joy with the police."

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minouminou · 16/07/2013 10:08

I third ^.

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Pyrrah · 16/07/2013 10:15

I would definitely contact your local MP or councillor - the police response is just not good enough and needs investigating.

I had a job that put me and my contact details in the public domain. I got a rather dodgy and suggestive phone message from 2 very drunk young men one night - so drunk they didn't even bother to block their number.

I called the police to report it and have it logged - they offered to go round and talk to the men, I declined in case it escalated things, but said please do if it happens again. 24 hours later I had a call from victim support offering me counselling!

I've always had a sneaky suspicion that due to my job, they were falling over themselves to be efficient and had I just been joe public at the time I would not have got the same response.

This man's behaviour was distinctly abnormal and worrying. There is so much about child abuse and abductions in the media, that most men would have been falling over themselves to apologise and being mortified. The only possible excuse I can see for his behaviour is if he was out with his son who was the same age and look and he'd mistaken your son for his own.

When I was in my very early teens (and I was a late developer so looked very much like a child) a man tried to entice me to his house on 2 separate occasions, in 2 different locations with about a year gap between the incidents. I was too ashamed to tell anyone. I still regret that and worry that my not taking it to the police may have put another girl/s in danger as he was obviously predatory.

You did exactly the right thing, and his subsequent behaviour means that the police should not just be fobbing you off.

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