To not understand what it's ok to show violence on tv but not people making love?

[Scarletohello]

Ok this was promoted by watching an episode if Famly Guy where a little girl was being kicked in the head and I know it's a cartoon, and I'm not really talking about cartoons here but it does piss me off that its ok to depict horrific violence in films tv etc but its not ok to see normal people having normal, pleasurable sex. And I'm not talking about porn here as that's filmed for the man's pleasure. I mean the kind of sex that most people have. What do other people think?

[AnyFucker]

For children, I don't want to see either

And the watershed isn't nearly late enough nor stringent enough

[JamieandtheMagicTorch]

AF

yy The watershed also only applies to BBC (and ITV??). You can see any old thing on the other channels at other times.

[AnyFucker]

Yes, Jamie, more is the pity

[mrsjay]

And the watershed isn't nearly late enough nor stringent enough

I agree with you AF a lot of 11 12 yr olds are up past 9pm some of the stuff isn't sutible imo right enough 20 yr old was watching hollyoaks the other night at 7 pm that isnt exactly squeaky clean either , FWIW skys water shed is 8pm

[Scarletohello]

This thread wasn't really about children but since people keep insisting that children need to be 'protected' from seeing the most beautiful and natural thing two people can do together, why is it ok for these same innocent beings to see vile, sadistic, titillating violence on pretty much a daily basis?

[Peacocklady]

YANBU it's ridiculous. I hate the way verbal and physical violence is such a regular part of soap operas pre-watershed, such bad role models and inappropriate reactions to things are shown. Not good for anyone, particularly not children.

Don't get me started on violent computer games which the very vulnerable children I work with are far too familiar with; they describe and act out hideous acts of violence in great detail.

[AnyFucker]

This thread didn't start to be about children, but I don't agree that they should see "beautiful and natural" (or otherwise) shagging on telly

[AnyFucker]

nor violence

neither of those things

[AnyFucker]

Coronation St has just shown someone's car being keyed (at 7:30pm). I don't agree with that either, and many young children watch Corrie

[Ilovemyself]

I agree with AF. The watershed is there for a reason. Violence and sex should be treated sensibly and appropriately or in context to the program it is on. Certainly children should be shielded from graphic content.

I guess program's should be made to be age specific to the time they are to be broadcast and films should be broadcast at a suitable time.

[Startail]

I think religion has a lot to do with our fear of sex.

DM is a huge crime drama fan and she says she's stoped watching things because of the unnecessary graphic details. You can have a murder to solve without blood, gore and graphic sexual violence.

No soaps allowed here, even though my DDs are 12&15.

Eastender's trailers used to really upset DD1 as a toddler so they've never gone on.

The trailers seemed just to be a collection of nasty arguments.

[Ilovemyself]

AF. I don't watch Corrie. What was the context. Was it shown as being an ok thing or not ?

[AnyFucker]

it was shown to be a neutral thing, ILM

keyer's partner is pregnant by his brother

he is angry, he keys the car

it is presented as something the unfaithful one deserves. I don't like that message given out to young dc

[Fakebook]

Because most normal children will know that violence is being portrayed as bad so won't do it. Sex being portrayed as a fun, loving, pleasurable thing, they will try to emulate thus resulting in unwanted pregnancies and stds. I thought that was pretty obvious.

[Ilovemyself]

I think the keying is a difficult one as it does depend on a number of things. Is the child (not just yours) mature enough to understand when it is explained that although it looks like the right thing to do it isn't.

I do think that when it comes to what children watch there is a responsibility on the broadcaster to ensure it is broadcast at the right time but also for a parent to realise when something isn't suitable for their offspring and to deal accordingly.

Although I think I have taken this off at a bit of a tangent. Sorry.

[Peacocklady]

Fakebook, I don't think young children should see graphic sex scenes but to say they know violence is bad is ridiculous. How do they know that if they see adults commiting violence? They have to do what adults tell them don't they? Adults should be positive, kind, role models. If adults can't manage it what chance have children got?

We all copy what we see to some extent and if we are exposed to certain behaviours enough, we are desensitised and it becomes part of our everyday experiences. Violence shouldn't be, at all.

[Peacocklady]

Oh and I would far rather my kids became young parents than started beating people up as teens.

[Fakebook]

Oh and I would far rather my kids became young parents than started beating people up as teens.

Really? Because I'd rather my children did neither.

How do they know violence is bad? Because normally when someone ends up dead and there's screaming and crying on screen, and the police are called with sirens and stuff, it's kind of a given that its bad....

[AnyFucker]

Why does it have to be one or the other ?

I can have strong feelings about more than one issue in my life. Some strange comments here. Young parenthood versus beating up pensioners ? Why the un necessary polarisation ?

neither thanks

[Peacocklady]

Of course neither preferably but if they are both influential, I know which I'd opt for. Personally I would like to see safe sex shown on screen to teens, if anything.

Hmmm if it's so obvious violence is bad why do people watch it for entertainment? Why do they act it out on computer games? Why are people violent in real life?

We don't want violence in our lives; why on earth do people want it on screen? People, especially children are massively influenced by what they see and copy it.

[YoniBottsBumgina]

I think it tends to be the opposite way around here, in the US violence is seen as more acceptable to be shown but sex and nudity is a no-no. We're much more tolerant of nudity and even hinting at sexual scenes but more likely to cut violent scenes or rate them higher. The ratings don't quite match up with US and UK anyway but often you'll find that in the US films or programmes with scenes of nudity get higher age ratings than those which show violence, the opposite is true in the UK (and even more so in the rest of Europe)

I feel really uncomfortable with the way violence is normalised.

[Dragonwoman]

Violence (of the pre-watershed type) is something that can be seen often in real life.
Sex, while natural is something usually done in private. Having sex is normal, but watching others having sex isn't.
As far as I can tell isn't TV just mirroring real life by making this distinction?

[Peacocklady]

Really? My kids have never seen the violence portrayed in soaps in real life and I rarely have. I've never seen anyone buried in a shallow grave, thrown into a canal, deliberately run over, raped, shot or strangled, all things I've seen on EE.

[Startail]

Fakebook teens don't have sex because they see/don't see it on TV they have sex because of the heady mixture if hormones and it been grown up, taboo and rebellious.

Same with smoking and alcohol, they are a gateway to being seen as grown up.

[Darkesteyes]

Real Dame i didnt realise Equity were complaining about the simulated sex . Dont blame them though. While we are on the subject it seems to be that when you do see a love/sex scene on TV a lot of times its an older man with a much younger woman.
This grates. Because they seem to think that older women go off sex or is it that tv executives dont see older women as attractive.
It would also be nice to see a woman over a size 12/14 in a romantic lead.
Agree with you though Dame.
And as for the violence anyone remember Ripper Street? I only watched one episode. Grim.