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AIBU?

To think my married friends might cough up for a babysitter occasionally

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Sheila · 11/02/2013 10:58

I am a single parent and have my DS 99% of the time, apart from in the school holidays when he goes away with XP for up to 3 nights.

This means I don't go out much in the evenings and if I do want to go out I generally have to pay a babysitter. I don't begrudge this, although it does mean I don't have much of a social life because money is tight.

What really rankles is that on the rare occasion when DS is away, my married friends never seem willing to get a babysitter themselves if their DHs aren't around.

So the conversation usually goes:

Me; "Hi DF, I've got a night off later this week, do you fancy going out?"
DF: "No sorry I can't - DH is out that night."

So, if I want to see them we have to find a time when they can go out for free and I have to find a babysitter!

I find this annoying and hurtful on so many levels - mainly because I think they must not want to see me that much, but also because I think they are mostly much more able to afford a babysitter than me as they have two incomes coming in.

So AIBU or do I have crap friends?

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TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub · 11/02/2013 18:10

If I asked someone to do a course with me and they came along, I would assume that they wanted to do the course.

I've just noticed in your OP that you talk about "later this week". Even if DH was around, I wouldn't necessarily be Able to go our with a couple of days' notice and if he wasn't, I doubt I could get a sitter that quickly - tend to book ours 2-3 weeks ahead.

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12ylnon · 11/02/2013 18:14

Babysitters are expensive- and i am one! I get between £25 and £60 per evening (generally- sometimes i get more). I think that's incredible amount of money to add onto an evening out. Thats why i don't hire babysitters for DS :)
YABU

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YouOldSlag · 11/02/2013 18:19

TBH I think married folk are getting a hard time on here.

I loathe pubs, clubs and bars, and hangovers last about 3 days now I'm in my 40s. However, if a single friend wanted to go out I would suggest a meal somewhere, or a day out together, maybe shopping and lunch.

My nights out are few and far between and I would hate to spend it doing something I loathed just to please someone else. I would offer an alternative or a compromise, but I wouldn't waste money on a noisy pub or club if it was the polar opposite of what I enjoy doing.

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Alibabaandthe40nappies · 11/02/2013 18:42

Why did you do the cheese course though, if you didn't think you wanted to do it? Sounds like your friend was going to do it anyway and thought you might like to come along, that's all. Don't paint it that you were doing her a huge favour.

Tbh it doesn't sound like you actually care about having your friend's company here. What you want is someone to come out with you so that you can meet a bloke, and I can understand that your friends don't want to do that.

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FutTheShuckUp · 11/02/2013 18:50

They dont want to go out and find a bloke? They dont have to- its perfectly feasible to have a night out without copping off with someone if you are attached- even if your friend does!

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YouOldSlag · 11/02/2013 18:53

yeah but it's awkaward being the wingman.

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sarahseashell · 11/02/2013 19:11

YANBU at all and I'm Shock at some of the smug marrieds on here
they just don't get it, but sadly would do if their h left or died Sad

I think most single parents have encountered this tbh - I find school parents' socials difficult because I have to pay for a babysitter to go on top of the cost of the evening, whereas it'd be rearranged if someone's dh were away or they'd complain if they had to get a babysitter etc. It's just ignored that as an lp you have to get a babysitter to go out.

On the plus side only a couple more years and you won't need to pay for one as ds will be old enough not to need one Smile

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ChestyLeRoux · 11/02/2013 19:19

Out of my friends none ever get babysitters so I doubt many people would do that for a night out.

Bit confused here wont their dhs ever babysit? Surely if one friend wont go out just ring someone else.

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PureQuintessence · 11/02/2013 19:34

If you had just come with me for cheese-making, I would definitely come out with you! Wink

Do you think it is the age of the children rather than them being married?

Most of my friends have children the same age as mine. We go out together now and then, and some times, to make it possible for us all, one of us might have to get a baby sitter. That is fine.

But one of my friends whose child is a LOT younger, will never come out. I have not seen her without her baby at all since her child was born. No question of leaving her with her dh, not for lunch, not for the evening, not even for evening seminars and networking events in the field we work. My friend has not been to see me at all since she got pregnant. First it was a drag on the train because of her bump. Fair enough. And now, it is "too far" to take baby. ok. Hmm

Do your friends have younger children than you?

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Sheila · 11/02/2013 19:37

For what it's worth, I wouldn't expect my friends to go out 'on the pull' with me - frankly I wouldn't have a clue where to do that round here anyway. Maybe I wouldn't have been single so long if I did!

Nights out I enjoy are a quiet pub, the cinema or something to eat- that's it really. I don't think I ever mentioned pulling so I'm not sure where that's come from.

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Sheila · 11/02/2013 19:41

Their kids are mostly the same age as DS, but they generally have more than one.

And yes I do ring round but sometimes I just want to see a particular person who I haven't seen for ages, so it's upsetting to get the brush off.

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PureQuintessence · 11/02/2013 19:50

So not that then.

Personally, I love being social. But find it hard to afford baby sitters.

I sometimes envy people with lots of family who are willing to babysit. When dh is away with work I stay in most nights, and cant even get to the gym. The funds simply wont stretch to baby sitters.

My cousin is a single mum, and I think she can relate to a what of what you are saying. But for daytime. She says I am the only one of her friends who will call up on a Saturday/Sunday morning to ask her and her dd out to do stuff with me, my dh and our boys. Everyone else just wants "family time". Dh was away for 3 months when ds1 was a baby. I had the same experience. I got so pizzed off in the end I took ds out to Pizza Express for Sunday lunch all by myself! Weekends were extremely lonely those months. Nobody to do anything with.

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IfNotNowThenWhen · 11/02/2013 20:10

Itb was me who mentioned pulling Sheila! And tbh I don't really go out on the pull, but I also know that it is very unlikely that I will ever meet someone sat on my friends sofa, so I like be out and about sometimes.
Agree with PureQuintessence about weekends too. I never call my married friends on a weekend to do anything in the day because they are always doing family stuff, and it can be really lonely.

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TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub · 11/02/2013 20:16

I'd happily meet another parent on the weekend with our kids and give DH a break at home.

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HoneyStepMummy · 11/02/2013 20:17

OP I'm totally confused! You're upset because your friends don't want to get a babysitter instead opting for their dads to watch them- but you're doing the same yourself Confused. On one hand you don't want to leave your 12 year old by himself which I understand, but you don't seem to keen on any other ideas people have suggested.
Surely you could tell your friends a few weeks ahead of time that you will be child free and would like to make plans? And surely you could mention to your friends that you would really appreciate it if they told you way in advance about social plans so you could make arrangements for your son (such as a sleepover).
When my DSD was 12 we would sometimes leave her at home when we went out to dinner. We would only venture about 20 minutes away and keep our mobiles on the whole time. She really enjoyed having the place to herself and watching whatever she wanted to on TV Smile

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YouOldSlag · 11/02/2013 20:19

IfNotNow- what is that you want them to do? Cancel their plans with their children or include you in their plans with their children?

I don't splash out on babysitting because there is nobody we can ask so it would mean paying a stranger and I won't do that, not for anyone.

I also know that it is very unlikely that I will ever meet someone sat on my friends sofa, so I like be out and about sometimes. this is called wanting to go on the pull.

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lljkk · 11/02/2013 20:35

All the single parents I know have people queuing up to baby sit for them (for free, yes free!!). Literally. It leaves me Shock when I hear about their busy social lives. I know if I became a single parent I'd have NO ONE and probably almost never go out.

I am married & we could afford a babysitter, but to be honest, for years I felt that my rambunctious brats were too much for any babysitter we knew, or perhaps at times we knew a reliable adult babysitter but lost her phone number 2 months later. Certainly wouldn't leave them with random babysitter.

last weekend for first time every I left my lot with random teenager (okay not entirely random, regularly minds younger siblings). Keep in mind my eldest is a teen, too, just not a reliable one for looking after younger sibs. That was as challenging as I thought random teen should ever be lumbered with.

I had some (married to each) other friends who used to get short-tempered with us because we wouldn't go out for a meal with them... they wouldn't accept that we knew no one we thought we could ask to babysit (there are NOT professional babysitting services in our area, either). They never offered to sit, I wondered how heavy a hint I should drop but they never got it. They stopped asking, obviously presumed we didn't really want to go out.

So my first thought in OP's case was if the children (of her friends) were difficult and too much of a headache for the married couples to easily find a sitter.

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stubbornstains · 11/02/2013 20:42

I completely sympathise with you OP. Sometimes arranging an evening out as a single parent feels like climbing Everest, and it makes you feel really stabby when your friends aren't willing to make half the effort (and many of my friends are single mums- they just have kids old enough to leave, or their exes have the kids some of the time).

The insularity of some coupled-up people stuns me. Seriously, you don't socialise without your DP/ DHs? In fact, since I've got a boyfriend, I've become the victim of people assuming I'm like that- "oh, we didn't think to ask you because we thought you'd be doing something with your boyfriend". FFS.

I guess I am slowly and surely combating the problem- by making different friends Smile.

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ChestyLeRoux · 11/02/2013 20:50

This is like a parallel universe to me.Most mums I know are out at pubs and clubs very frequently.Married mums and single mums together.

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IfNotNowThenWhen · 11/02/2013 20:55

No, YouOlSlag, it's called wanting to leave the house occasionally.

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foslady · 11/02/2013 21:01

Know EXACTLY where you're coming from Sheila. I refer to it (to myself, not to anyone else) as my single night out tax. The worst ones are when I'm invited to go to a party plan night at one of their houses......I think I've managed to get through to them if it's not on a night that dd's at her dads to forget it, I've used my spare cash on a sitter and can't afford another £30 for some piece of bakeware to block up the cupboard (if we were on a night out it would be approx £10-15 on wine/pub food). I can see where they're coming from, but like has been said further up, once I leave work I leave adult company, and come bedtime the only contact with the outside world in MN & fb, nights out are precious

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Alibabaandthe40nappies · 11/02/2013 21:43

Chesty none of my friends go to pubs and clubs. I do know people who do, but they are ex-work colleagues.

Our friends are far flung, so we tend to see people at weekends and often stay over, so socialising is several bottles of wine and a lovely meal once the kids are tucked up in bed. No need for babysitters.

DH and I do go out independently, but we would always try and organise it so that one of us was going to be in to look after the DCs. Ours are very young though, and getting them to the point of readiness for bed that we can leave them and simultaneously getting ready to go out is not entirely straightforward.

When we go out together we use an agency to get a sitter, at around £30-35 a pop.

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drjohnsonscat · 11/02/2013 21:51

I know exactly what you mean OP. I am in the same position and it drives me somewhat bonkers. I haven't read the whole thread so don't yet know all the reasons why you and I might be being unreasonable but yes, it is annoying.

I don't particularly want people to do it for my benefit. Why should they? But more because they don't seem to realise I have to do this every time I even want to get a hair cut. Perhaps it's more that it would be nice for some of my friends to appreciate what other people have to put in just to do the simple things they take for granted. I'm very happy being a single parent but do sometimes feel a bit invisible on that front.

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pookamoo · 11/02/2013 21:51

I've never used a sitter. I go out when DH is at home, and he rarely goes out when I am at home. DD1 is 4 and just before DD2 was due, PIL happened to be staying for a weekend (they live 3 hours away) and sent us off to a local pub for a meal. Before that, the last time we went out together was DD1's due date.

Oh I think PIL might have babysat one other time they were staying with us, but I can't remember.

So that's what, twice in 4 years. We just don't have babysitters.

OP, is there any way you could set up a babysitting circle with some of your friends?

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stubbornstains · 11/02/2013 22:10

Well no, the OP can't. Because these babysitting circles work on the premise that you babysit for your friends, and your friends babysit for you. Which is lovely.

Meanwhile, who is looking after your own kids?



Seriously, the amount of people who have suggested that to me over the last 3 years.... (bangs head on table).

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