Miss Dickson Wright - what a nasty vicious racist woman she is!

[vivizone]

Well she fits in very well with the DM ethos.

Disgusting person

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2233958/One-Fat-Lady-race-row-Muslim-ghetto-jibe-The-Islamic-area-Leicester-frightened-says-TV-chef.html

[LRDtheFeministDragon]

That's horrible mrsdevere.

[thebody]

Rude and prejudiced people exist in all creeds and races. I grew up in 80s Handsworth and experienced racist remarks and behaviour from black and Asian pupils and adults and saw also a great deal of nasty racism directed at them from the white community.

Clarissa isn't an 'old duck' what a stupid and patronising description of an extremely intelligent woman who most defiantly has not led a sheltered life,,gilded maybe but sheltered not.

Since when has 'old' become a derogatory term.

Her snapshot of visiting Leicester was just that. When I visit my aunty in Handsworth I would probably feel like she did except for the fact that I personally know a of her Asian and black neighbours, some are nice and some are vile.

She is referred to as the 'white lady' at no 23!! Not racist but descriptive.

We have to listen and challenge statements like Clarissa and not simply say she's a racist or her views are worthless.

If we do that then we risk ignoring facts such as the gangs of paedophiles roaming and raping girls in Rochdale or similarly ignoring tales of rape and abuse by Seville as he was deemed untouchable.

If we don't listen we don't learn.

[TunipTheHollowVegemalLantern]

I think she should go and live in Leicester for a month and get some education.
Would make a great tv show too.

[madmomma]

My inlaws are muslim and my husband was brought up muslim. I agree with everything she said, and I think the only offensive part was when she said about them not reading English. I do feel uncomfortable in crowds of muslim people, and I would feel just as uncomfortable in crowds of hardcore christians such as in the bible belt. Of course there are nice muslim individuals, but it is an extremely intolerant and sexist religion, so why on earth would someone from a traditionally English background not be uneasy in that situation?

[frantic51]

Wise words, thebody. Tunip, she has said she would go back if invited.

[LRDtheFeministDragon]

IMO it's valid to conclude she said something racist if you can show why - and we can. She made assumptions about people based what's obviously a pretty sketchy and impressionistic knowledge of what 'they' might believe.

I take your point it's not ok just to make a snap decision, but this isn't that, IMO.

She should have been apologetic when she realized what she'd done, not made a crack about thinking it wouldn't insult people because she assumed they couldn't read English.

[FromEsme]

My mouth literally dropped open when I read that. All this crap about how "they" don't talk to white women - bullshit. I live in an area that is something like 70% Bangladeshi population and many other groups from other places, lots of covered women and men in Islamic clothing and I speak to plenty of people on the street, in the supermarket, at the market. I just don't recognise the kind of area she's talking about at all. My local mosque has an open day for non-Muslims and lots of people from the mosque go out on the street to chat to non-Muslims.

Maybe people didn't speak to her because she was cowering away from them?

Don't get me wrong, I don't think that multi-culturalism is working in Britain. I think there's a lot of tension and I think that there's a lot of racism on both sides.

Her comments have fuck all to do with her age, I know plenty of young people who come out with that shit as well.

[Startail]

As a student I went to view a flat in a mainly Muslim part of town.

I was early, it was very hot, I was wearing a t-shirt and a ra-ra skirt (it's a long time ago), neither tight or revealing by today's standards.

Every woman who walked past was in full black Islamic dress, I felt really uncomfortable. A total outsider in the city I had lived in for 3 years.

I'd had a Muslim lab partner and lived with a lovely black Londoner, but this was quite different. It was like a bit of the Middle East had landed in Britain.

The flat turned out to belong to a very nice Black Lady and was beautiful.

Too beautiful and very small. I didn't take it as DH and I had big oily bikes and heaps of old computers to find a home for. So I never found out what it was like to live there. We ended up just the other side of the high street where it was more student land and the flats were larger converted houses with space for my car and our junk.

[LRDtheFeministDragon]

That is really nasty.

[Softlysoftly]

Madmomma your in laws may wist their religion to be sexist and intolerant, mine don't, in fact I breastfed DD2 at my SIL recent Muslim wedding.

My best friend is Turkish Muslim and they get merrily pissed regularly.

Such sweeping generalisations are the very route of stupidity and bigotry and you should be ashamed to propogate them, how about doing your own research and challenging your in laws incorrect cultural views?

There should be no groupings or them and us, every single individual has the absolute and equal right to be judged a wanker.

[Softlysoftly]

root twist italics fail and innumerable other mistakes due to ranty typing

[FreudiansSlipper]

you do not be need to be openly supporting the edl or bnp to be a racist it happens on many levels and people are aware of it when they speak out about it they are often accused of being over sensitive chip on their shoulder but it is there it is hard to tackle because they are not screaming abuse but their message though not always as clear is the same

her refusal to apologise is so typical of the old attitudes of we are superior we are right that has no place in our society now if you offend you apologise that you have offended and try to at least understand why others are upset but hey let's celebrate the upper class eccentrics who want to preserve our country they are so out of touch and so funny haha

[FromEsme]

Oh and Ophelia it's total bollocks that the English support anyone but Scotland. I've never heard that. I've only heard English people bemoan how petty any Scottish person is for supporting anyone but England.

I am Scottish, I live in England. I love England, but I would never support them in any sporting competition. But I would support Britain in the Olympics. Does that mean I have to go and live in Scottish ghetto? It's total bollocks.

[scottishmummy]

anyone except ingerland to win, yes of course

[thebody]

Mrsdevere, do you think things like this incident are now more or less commen.

The focus of fear seems to have lifted from the black community and is directed at Muslims. That's how I see it changed since the 80s and 9/11.

Is that true for you?

[flow4]

"The focus of fear seems to have lifted from the black community and is directed at Muslims. That's how I see it changed since the 80s and 9/11."
I agree, thebody.

[spingey]

I live in a large city and we have a lot of different sub areas which have different ethnic communities. I sometimes feel uneasy walking through some areas, its nothing to do with race, its the gangs of youths/men on the streets that frightens me. I dont stop long enough to look at what skin colour they are under their hoodie, in fact I couldnt care less.

[madmomma]

Well softlysoftly firstly I said nothing about breastfeeding. In the quraan it states that women should breastfeed their children for two years, so yes I'd imagine you did feel comfortable breastfeeding. Secondly, which sweeping generalisation are you referring to? The one where I said it was an intolerant religion? Have you read the quraan? How can you tell me it's not a sexist religion? If sharia law was in force in this country we wouldn't even be allowed to have this conversation, so don't tell me it's a tolerant religion. It's blindly shooting down any criticism of Islam that results in psychos like Osama bin laden doing his worst, 16yo girls being sent off to marry their cousins and live in Pakistan and baby boys being butchered to make them 'pure'. I couldn't care less if you think I'm a wanker. I think people who tote the usual simplistic liberal guff to be the goodgirl are wankers. And as for research, I've read the quraan (which contains lots of good stuff too, like most holy books). That is all the research I need, thanks, and I would not have that book (or the old testament) anywhere near my children.

[FromEsme]

The problem is not Islam, the problem is the wankers within it that take it to the extreme.

Exactly the same as Christianity. Look at the US, fgs. Look at Mitt Romney.

If we had sharia law. Big if. We don't.

[BinksToEnlightenment]

She's an idiot. Leicester's nothing like that. Yes, it's multicultural and of course some areas are more distinct than others, but nobody is mean about it or possessive of their area. There's no exclusivity. Everyone is welcome.

Except for batty old musty smelling women screeching around like they've accidentally stumbled into a Resident Evil game.

[thebody]

You know what I think most people are basically saying the same point.

Nasty, rude, vile behaviour cuts across all colours, creeds and religious groups, there are robbers, paedophiles, rapists, lazy, entitled, fraudsters and liars of all and any creed, faith, religion and sex.

No one 'group' has the lions share because humans aren't groups, they are individuals.

[LRDtheFeministDragon]

Well said.

[Softlysoftly]

So in your sexist and intolerant in laws house you would breastfeeding in front of the men?

Parts of the book are blood and fire as are parts of the bible, but there are as many different forms of follower as there are Christians, it's about interpretation, the religion is not purely based on the one book. Therefore your statement about feeling uneasy in a group of Muslims is still generalist bollocks.

If you were in a group, asked and found out they were Taliban revering sharia law introducing maniacs (few and far between) then and only then should you "feel uneasy".

Noone has said you should blindly not question anything to do with Islam, I have had many a lively ranty debate with BIL about my belief halal butchery is cruel, it's a ridiculous cop out comment that's thrown out time and time again

"them liberal do gooders label everyone a racist if you mention Islam" bleat bleat

[AmberLeaf]

Well I wouldn't want to live in any monocultural area, I live in a multicultural one which works for anyone except racists with an agenda.

I think she obviously has issues with asians, it reminds me of people that decribe my area as 'dodgy' 'dangerous' 'rough' when what they really mean is they are scared of black men due to their own assumptions on their criminality.