My feed
Premium

Please
or
to access all these features

AIBU?

To wonder why people put "r"s where they don't belong?

265 replies

somebloke123 · 09/10/2012 11:32

A trivial matter in the grand scheme of things of course but:

I first noticed this as a school boy "oop north" when a teacher from down south joined the staff and caused great hilarity by saying "drawrings" instead of "drawings".

It seems to be a southern phenomenon but not at all a type of chavspeak. Some of the worst offenders are media types who speak middle class "received" or "BBC" English.

It amounts to an inability to pronounce two successive vowel sounds without putting an "r" between.

A few examples I have heard in the radio, mainly over the past week or so:

West Brom managed a one-all drawragainst Aston Villa.

Planning the withdrawral from Afghanistan.

Chris Grayling is seeking a change in the lawron reasonable force against burglars.

The police are trying to restore Laura Norder.

And on Radio 4's "Poetry Please" in an otherwise moving reading of Oscar Wilde's "Ballad of Reading Jail":

"But I never sawraman who looked
So wistfully at the day.
I never sawraman who looked
With such a wistful eye."



Grrrrrrrrr!

OP posts:
Report
LindyHemming · 11/10/2012 16:41

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MaryZed · 11/10/2012 16:51

dh drives me nuts by pronouncing huge as youj and Hugh and youj

From your list Euphemia, I think I would pronounce Pore and poor the same, more or less. The ones with/without r's though are very different (saw, sauce, Paw do NOT have r's in them [mutter]).

As for look, cook, book, I can't cope if the oo are pronounced like pool or cool.

This thread has made me realise how intolerant I am Blush, which since I have one teenager with a very strong Dublin skanger accent, one who sounds rather posh and one who sounds American is very strange. I manage to ignore most of what they say Grin.

Report
Moln · 11/10/2012 16:58

Euphima of your pairs I say the following the same

Pour/Paw*
Pour/poor (slight difference)
Sauce/source
saw/sore*


  • I have to admit to having NO idea how these could be said fifferently! Please enlighten me!
Report
MaryZed · 11/10/2012 17:21

There is no r in paw.

So poor is p-oar (as in rowing boat).

Paw is p-awe (as in I am in awe of you). Though you probably pronounce oar and awe the same

Just leave out the r. Stop after the awwwwwwww sound. Using a round mouth and your lips, without letting your top teeth get involved.

Same for sawwwwwwww and sauuuuuuuuus (no r).

Report
AmIthatbad · 11/10/2012 17:42

Moln

How can pour and paw be the same? As MaryZed said

pour (which I would pronounce the same as pore) would rhyme with roar

paw - completely different vowel sound, plus no r

Report
Moln · 11/10/2012 18:24

I think I'm in a different planet! I can't work out how they are different and you can't work out how they are the same!

ii'm not say an r in paw! Least I don't think so! Doubts self

I'm off to listen to the dictionary!

Report
AmIthatbad · 11/10/2012 18:26

Grin These threads always have me sitting speaking to myself, trying to work out what I actually say

Report
Moln · 11/10/2012 18:27

Right to make it even odder, I've just called DH and asked him. He told me I say them differently!

very very confused!

Report
LindyHemming · 11/10/2012 18:33

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

jaggythistle · 11/10/2012 18:56

poor and p-oar? nooo!

poor has oo in it = as in moo like a cow surely? Grin

Report
MaryZed · 11/10/2012 19:16

No, no, Poor doesn't have an oo as in moon. Nooooooo.

It sounds with oar, as in a rowing boat. Or pore, bore, sore, door, whore Grin.

I think I might fit nicely into your arguments Euphemia.

The arguments in this house stem from the fact that we are in Ireland and my mum was Church of Ireland, my dad was Catholic. We were brought up with Protestant pronunciation of words like scone (gone, not cone) and yoghurt (again o as in on, not o as in oh) and worst of all I say aitch not haitch.

People can tell my religion from my accent Shock

Report
AmIthatbad · 11/10/2012 19:19

Grin

Yes it does

poor and pour don't sound the same

poor is p-oo-r, as in m-oo

Report
MaryZed · 11/10/2012 19:28

You probably say coooooook and boooooook and looooooook, don't you you wierdo ?

What do you do with poor paw? Do you really say pooooer pore?

Report
LindyHemming · 11/10/2012 19:34

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

jaggythistle · 11/10/2012 19:34

no p-oo-r p-aw

no r in paw!

Report
MaryZed · 11/10/2012 19:37

Well if you put an (incorrect) oooooooo in poor, who knows what you will shove in a paw.

It constantly amazes me how bad the English are at speaking English.

Having said that I was watching some American programme the other day and they had subtitles for some Scottish bloke. It was hysterical, because the subtitles Americanised the words as well, so it was a total mish-mash and made very little sense.

sm would have had apoplexy.

Report
MaryZed · 11/10/2012 19:38

Oops, there should have been a Wink after my second sentence, before all "you English" get all cross with me Smile.

Report
Moln · 11/10/2012 19:52

OK you lot have brought me to recording myself! I do indeed say the words paw and poor differently.

My brain hurts after reading this and I haven't a clue how I speak any more, though I do know that scone rhyming with gone is wrong....

Report
Moln · 11/10/2012 19:53

It's OK MaryZed you Irish can't help it Wink

Report
AmIthatbad · 11/10/2012 19:58

Grin, but Moln, it does rhyme with gone

Report
MaryZed · 11/10/2012 19:58

Here protestant scones rhyme with gone, catholic ones rhyme with cone [baffled]

Report
Pascha · 11/10/2012 20:00

OK then:

Source/sauce
Saw/sore
Paw/pore
Pore/poor

All sound the same as each other to me. I use the same vowel sound for each pair and the r is pretty silent in my accent.

I am right. You can all go home now.

Report

Don’t want to miss threads like this?

Weekly

Sign up to our weekly round up and get all the best threads sent straight to your inbox!

Log in to update your newsletter preferences.

You've subscribed!

AmIthatbad · 11/10/2012 20:01

I eat scone (gone) but I live very near the village of Scone (S-coon) Smile

Report
Moln · 11/10/2012 20:03

Pascha how do you say scone?

Report
MaryZed · 11/10/2012 20:05

Probably wrongly, Moln Wink

Judging by her list of errors Shock. She must talk about paw saw paws.

Report
Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.