to think Liz Jones is JUST an odious person with no redeeming qualities?

[TalkinPeace2]

I caught this programme while driving today
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01mw2d8
and she just came across as unpleasant, self pitying and vindictive.

And said that if the Mail fired her she'd not be worried.

Personally having listened to her - but never read one of her articles, the sooner they do, the better for the planet.

[claig]

In fact it was a profound interview. She mentions that men can't write in her style. She mentions Roth and someone else who are close. But she is very perceptive when she implies that the reason that they can't is because they are too busy projecting an image, whereas she bares all and strips the image to reveal what is underneath and what is real, even if it is sometimes harsh and unpleasant. It is the difference between someone who is creating and fabricating an image, a role, a point, a role model and someone who just is. It is the difference between trying and being, between striving and being, between going somewhere and being somewhere.

[claig]

I thought she came across very well. She doesn't brag or big herself up, she is just real. She writes with a detached observation as an observer about things that others think are not important. Safraz implied that he chooses subjects or items that might show or demonstrate some sort of thing that might be useful to others and she implied that that was arrogant like a man. He denied it was arrogance but just felt it was important to do. I think she has a good point. She doesn't write in order to make propaganda or be politically correct or be a role model or be anybody other than who she is. She doesn't care if Safraz or anyone else feels that the topic is important. She writes about things to entertain and observes things with a detached eye. She offers a different perspective to those who aggrandise themselves and believe that they have points to convey. She doesn't actively try to convince, she passively observes and has the more real voice for it.

She admits her flaws, says she is shy and unconfident, but deep down she is more confident that the bragger, the point scorer and serious, earnest writer.

Obviously she does need to find topics to write about and it is possible that she embellishes reality slightly in order to create output. But the purpose is to entertain rather than lecture.

She is not holding on to her job by her claws, and says that if it ends, so be it. She will move on. That's life and is another story to write about.

[recall]

and blow your nose woman !!!

[recall]

How dare she liken herself to Bridgette

[lighthousekeeping]

I've just found this to ask about the RS? Last week someone threatened to expose them with photo proof, am I right? I can't believe it's still going on.

I also read one entry saying that her sister is ventilated in ITU and she didn't bother to get on the plane to Australia. I really hope she exaggerates that diary.

[AitchTwoOhOneTwo]

i did wonder why the Rock Star, the one who keeps asking her to marry him, didn't bother to pop by on her birthday...

[hackmum]

I can't say I've ever liked Liz Jones but in the past I have felt sorry for her because she seems to have some genuine mental health issues and I thought that must be the cause of a lot of her problems.

Two things really turned me against her though. One was that awful, awful article she did ranting about the local GP practice (of which she wasn't even a member) refusing to give her a same-day appointment for vaccinations before she travelled to Somalia. The bastards said they couldn't give her vaccinations without seeing her medical records from her private GP first! I mean, how dare they!

The second was hearing her on that radio programme this week. She was so self-pitying and unlikeable. I certainly heard the comment about "publishing a novel at 16" as a dig at Caitlin Moran. And then when the interviewer said to her, "But you're immensely successful," she replied, "Yesterday was my birthday, and I spent it alone. I have no friends, and my family won't speak to me." And I thought, anybody with a teeny-weeny bit of self-awareness might ask themselves why they had no friends and their family wouldn't speak to them. Just horrible.

[cyrilpeacock]

I am not talking about helping her family out Nancy66, we know she does that, she repeatedly tells us ! I am saying, as they have to bear the brunt of her indiscretions, nastiness and having there every word printed, surely they should get a substantial percentage of the income she derives from it.
I dont work for the paper, but one can see tomorrows copy through a N Ireland portal.
In terms of self pitying tripe it has hit new lows, in spite of being told her sister is seriously ill she manages to turn it into a poor me " fest ", in spite of being well paid and spending £600 on make-up she states she cannot afford to visit her !! She , it seems , owes money every where and to everyone, any one would be in debt after the ludicrous monies she has squandered.
I wonder if she will try for another " let the readers send me their money, they can afford it " punt.

[LongTimeLurking]

Is she the one that writes nasty little collums for the daily mail? - If so YANBU, she is a nasty piece of work and she seems to enjoy being as ignorant and offensive as possible.

[AitchTwoOhOneTwo]

let's presume that the editor can see the hypocrisy. should he sack her?

[fitgirl26]

I can't believe she (or the editor) cannot see the hypocrisy of her "I'm so broke" bleatings after she wrote about spending £600 on Chanel makeup last week!

[QuickLookBusy]

I feel very sorry.

She has to portray herself as such an unlikeable person inorder to make a living.

It can't be good for her mental health, even if it is good for her bank balance.

[Nancy66]

I don't work for the Mail on Sunday or You mag so I don't see that column in advance.

I think she does (financially) support some members of her family.

I actually don't think her You column is her best work. It's turned into a caricature of itself and I think it ran out of steam a good year ago.

eliza -I don't think 'boring' is a label that can ever be pinned on her. The media is an incredibly ruthless business, people are axed on a whim. Believe me if she didn't get the letters, the emails, the clicks on the website, she wouldn't still be doing it.

[AitchTwoOhOneTwo]

perhaps she has something to add because she's actually MET her?

and what other columnist gets this kind of social media coverage? you talking about how much you hate her is precisely what makes her worth the money.

[elizaregina]

LIZ JONES IS not worth the money - at all, there are millions of better writers out there she harldy appeal to anyone for goodness sake.

i know there are writers we love to hate but we just hate her generally she is boring and stupid adn to me so shallow - i am sure she thinks she does love animals- but what is her perception of love for goodness sake.

she is one very very very lucky lady....

i dont know if anyone else finds it odd how nancy 66 always pops up on liz jones threads to deny nasty things liz has said or done.

[AitchTwoOhOneTwo]

from the little i know about her, she does.

[cyrilpeacock]

I will be interesting to hear from you Nancy66, I have seen tomorrows copy ( it is out in N Ireland ) surely this must be indefensible !!
Those of you going to the convention at which Liz will speak/rant/bemoan her lot please ask her when she will ever feel brave enough to prove and justify herself, please ask her from me, if she gives a proportion of her salary to the family and friends she has disparaged and betrayed and who have given her the copy she needs week by week.

[HouseOfJones]

SarahBellum - I agree she is very damaged, though sadly completely lacking in self-awareness. I find it hard to read her stuff these days especially as most of it seems to be unconvincing fantasy - it makes me cringe with embarrassment that a woman in her 50's invents a rock-star boyfriend - at least her dreadful husband was real.

(Oh and BTW - everything mattyp said!)

[PrincessSymbian]

Was she the one who used to hoover her garden?

[mattyp]

OK, Nancy66, you're in a position to agree with LJ's work and I am sure you have seen tomorrow's You 'diary' (to paraphrase for those who haven't it's this: "My sister is in intensive care,but enough about her, did I tell you I owe lots of money and it's not my fault. Did I?!".
Yet another diary using personal,intimate family tragedy. I bet her sisters are delighted she broadcasts family correspondence to earn money which she then spends on cosmetics and boots, and other necessities.
I would be interested to read your views?

[SaraBellumHertz]

The "I married my husband" for material stance is surely self preservation? I remember when she first write about their relationship (was she still at MC?) and it was like a car crash waiting to happen.

She had had several failed relationships and was desperate to settle down and she ended up with that man who tested her appallingly. It was a tally very painful to read about. Certainly if she'd posted on MN at the time he would have been roundly criticized as abusive.

I think she is an extremely damaged individual.

[Strawhatpirate]

I don't think she likes animals really she's just caught on to the fact that they can't tell her to fuck off. Like the rest of the universe has.

[Leena49]

Don't know who she is cost don't read the crappy mail. Sounds like I'm not missing much though.

[cyrilpeacock]

Liz certainly does not like women, kids or any body for that matter.
I dont buy this " I have such low self esteem " rubbish. All experts in Mental health issues would tell you that a person who genuinely has low self esteem, does not realise it, they truly think that they are awful...conversely they usually a narcissistic or border-line sociopaths who rather like the thought of portraying themselves as girlie, vulnerable and lacking in confidence.
Not me saying that, it is an established fact !!!
Liz is more than likely too self obsessed, were she to stop trying to find reasons for her supposed unhappiness, she may find some peace.
It is very difficult to read her self pitying claptrap without thinking of all the people who have huge problems and grief.
Get a grip Liz.

[mattyp]

Lips are sealed. Appreciate your position.