To not care that two thirds of schools are flouting the law

[Mitmoo]

ON R5Live now, it is being discussed that the law says that collective Christian worship should happen every day at school but two thirds of schools aren't doing it.

I really don't care, the law is wrong, why are they interfering?

AIBU not to care?

[TalkinPeace2]

SArdine,
indeed but it was Bliar who believed that Faith schools were the answer and allowed people like the Emmanuel Foundation to get their hands on loads of taxpayers money to preach their creationist poison

[SardineQueen]

?

CofE, Catholic and Jewish schools around here have been state schools for donkeys years

I don't see how you can blame TB for that.

[SardineQueen]

I don't know anything about emmanuel foundation

but I do know that the current governments free schools system with no need to follow national curriculum and no need for teachers to have teaching qualifications has opened the door wide open for schools which are highly religious, even extreme, to be funded by the state to teach whatever they want to teach

[TalkinPeace2]

Sardine
I am fully aware of the establishment nature of the main education system

its the newer academies and free schools that scare the wits out of me
places like Emmanuel and Oasis in particular.
I went to CofE till I was 18. My kids went to CofE. BUT there are CofE schools with 95% Muslim pupils.
Find me the "Faith" school with 95% of another religion

[SardineQueen]

But the new free schools have nothing to do with tony blair

Do they?

[SardineQueen]

I mean, you can't blame any one government for the existence of state funded religious schools.

"Find me the "Faith" school with 95% of another religion"

What does this mean?

[TalkinPeace2]

I blame every and any government for the continued and expanding existence of state funded religious schools

CofE schools are basically catchment schools
how many Jewish / Muslim / Sikh / Hindu schools would tolerate 95% non believers?

[SardineQueen]

The CofE and Catholic schools are 100% made up of people of that faith. As are the Jewish schools.

I am not sure what your point is, can you explain a bit more?

[SardineQueen]

Gawd missed "around here" in that post! The schools around here are like that ^

[TalkinPeace2]

Sardine
Really???
Almost every primary school in many rural areas is a CofE Controlled or Aided
and yet only a small proportion of people go to church
at my kids school less than 1 in 5 kids went to church
and the catholic primaries have more turbans than the community schools
the single sex cofe schools were full of muslim kids - for segeregation

[SardineQueen]

Yes really.

The schools all have a requirement to take children of other faiths if not enough children of the "right" faiths apply. That goes for CoFE, Catholic, Jewish, whatever. They could not stop children of different religions going if they had unfilled spaces. The children would be allocated through the usual allocation process.

I am still not sure what your point is though.

[TalkinPeace2]

The CofE and Catholic schools are 100% made up of people of that faith. As are the Jewish schools.
just not true

having CofE outside the door of a school does NOT make it comparable with an Oasis or Emmanuel school and THEY are my bugbear

[whackamole]

We never had a religious assembly at my school. We did RE but that was it. And we had assembly all the time but just as a way of giving out info really.

Don't really understand why it's obligatory really. Unless the school is a C of E or Catholic school.

[BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability]

I went to a CofW primary and had wholly religious assemblies with hymns, prayers and frequent visits from the vicar. I decided at about the age of 8 that I didnt believe in it all and was told I could sit quietly in assembly and that I didnt have to pray.

Then at a state (non-religious) high school, we were FORCED to pray every day. I got into trouble for saying I didnt want to!!

[malinois]

SardineQueen -

The CofE and Catholic schools are 100% made up of people of that faith. As are the Jewish schools.

Not here they aren't.. The vast majority of primary schools in rural areas are CofE - there is generally no choice at all. However, contrary to popular beliefs we do actually have Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and people of no faith at all living out here in the sticks - they all send their kids to the village CofE primary.

[mummytime]

Okay sorry but...I can understand peoples problems with Emmanuel, but what is the problem with Oasis. I know that they are not creationist (well Steve Chalke certainly isn't), and they do a lot of good work with people of other faiths, eg. my niece worked for them for a while working with refugee young people (mainly Somali I think).

[TalkinPeace2]

Oasis may be good at helping people but they are making a right pigs ear of running the two schools they took over round here

[aldiwhore]

A state funded, non denominational school imo, should not pledge allegiance to one religion or another (I'd prefer it if religion was not part of state school at all in any way other than to inform about people's beliefs in general).

I don't care either, op, YANBU.

As far as my sons' school is concerned, the daily singing of 'The Golden COCKrel' and the saying of grace hasn't harmed my kids though, neither did it harm me, and any Christian stories are usually more or less in line with my own ideals.... the New Testament parables are preferred at my sons' school and I'm happy with that. They avoid Genesis, I'd have an issue if they taught it as fact.

[begonyabampot]

Sardine I don't understand you, anyone can goto a catholic school, you don't have to be catholic though it might help it is oversubscribed.

[SardineQueen]

Blimey does no-one read the posts any more?!!

The CofE and Catholic schools are 100% made up of people of that faith. As are the Jewish schools.

I am not sure what your point is, can you explain a bit more?
Add message | Report | Message poster SardineQueen Tue 06-Sep-11 14:25:43
Gawd missed "around here" in that post! The schools around here are like that ^

The religious schools around here are 100% of that religion. I know that is not the case in all parts of the country, but it is around here. I am not sure how this fact always causes such consternation on MN!

[SardineQueen]

Sorry was quoting myself there. The bit you are all quoting back at me, I corrected in my next post by saying I had missed out around here. They are like that around here.

[picnicbasketcase]

I'm all for assembly to be used for giving out information and encouraging the community aspect of a school, but if it's not a faith school, it shouldn't have to have any religious content. My DC's school does, but I suspect that it's because the HT is Christian. I bet a lot of it does depend upon the personal beliefs of the staff.

[SardineQueen]

begony in our area most schools are heavily oversubscribed, and when they are faith schools, they are oversubscribed with people of that faith.

So the CofE schools are full of people who are CofE and meet the standard of religious adherence required by the school, the RC schools are full of people who are RC and meet the standard of religious adherence required by the school, the Jewish schools are full of people who are Jewish and and meet the standard of religious adherence required by the school.

If there were not enough people of the "right" religion to fill teh school, then others would obviously be accepted. However in this area, it is more usual for people who do meet the religious criteria to be turned down due to over-subscription from others of the same faith (it usually defaults to distance from teh school after that).

So if you want to get into one of the RC schools you have to 1. get your child baptised PDQ 2. Go to mass every week AND 3. Live near to the school and possibly 4. any other requirements the school might have like having to be baptised within a certain timeframe from birth etc

[begonyabampot]

Was just that your first post read like you were stating a fact but now explained.

[SardineQueen]

I know that's why I corrected immediately! Realised I had missed out quite a fundamental part of what I was saying!