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In 5 days we'll know if we are able to adopt a little girl

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lettinggo · 25/06/2011 12:44

I won't go thorugh all the process that's brought us this far, but we're 6 1/2 years in the process.

In 5 days time, on June 30th, we're going to find out if we will be able to adopt a little girl from Russia. She must be made available for domestic adoption until June 30th and after that will be able to be adopted internationally. She has some minor health issues, as far as we know nothing hugely serious, but apparantly Russians don't like to adopt children with health issues. She's been adoptable since she was 2 months old.

For the past month we've known about her and have been told that if she doesn't get adopted domestically, we will be allowed to adopt her. In my heart I know we should be hoping she gets to be adopted domestically because that would obviously be what is best for her but it's hard not to hope that it doesn't happen. I'm just not that good.

And now there's only 5 days to go and she's still there. I'm not at all religious, I certainly don't pray. But I remember years ago doing a novena (type of prayer service you do for 9 days where you pray for a specific thing) to St Francis Xavier and the words are rattling around in my head

"but if what I ask is not for the glory of God and the good of my soul,
I pray and desire that which is most conducive to both"

Might not make sense to anyone not Catholic but it's a comfort at the moment.
Sorry for the ramble. I wish I could go to sleep and wake up on Thursday at 1pm (close of business in that part of Russia).

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hester · 20/07/2011 13:59

Do you speak Russian, lettinggo? If not, is there someone there who can tell you all about baby and what her life has been like, her routine and preferences etc?

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happywheezer · 20/07/2011 14:04

Congratualtions on your new daughter! What's her name if I can ask?
I'm sure she is so lucky to have found your family.

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lettinggo · 20/07/2011 14:25

We have a facilitator with us who has been fantastic. Before we went, I was a bit Hmm about the concept of a facilitator but she has been invaluable. Where I would go the Irish way about things ("if you don't mind..., if it isn't too much trouble...., I hope you don't mind me asking...."), she just goes baldheaded at things. I had LOADS of questions prepared before I went and more after the first meeting with the baby. I had told L, the facilitator, some of my questions and she just asked the baby home administrator directly. I got loads of information about the birth mother - some official, some off the record. I have enough, I think, for tracing in future years. And L is going to try to find out a couple of other things I wanted to know about her.


I don't have info about her routine yet. I asked the questions but I was bluntly told her routine will have changed by the time we get her so there's no point in telling us now.

Video footage was taken of her when she was 5 months (was on a Russian TV programme aimed at recruiting domestic adopters) and I was given a copy of it. It will be lovely for her in the future to see herself at this age. We have LOADs of photos and video from this visit (age 9 1/2 months) and we were allowed to leave a disposable camera with the carers and they will take photos of her while we're gone, especially on her birthday. SO hopefully there won't be too many gaps in her baby photos. I was also allowed to leave a notebook for the carers to write little messages to her.

It's all starting to feel very real. I cried (again!!) reading your lovely messages. I'm surprised there are any tears left. I made a holy show of myself leaving the baby home yesterday. I knew it would be hard but now it feels like she's MINE and I'm leaving her behind.

happywheezer, I don't want to write her name publicly, I'll message you.

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hester · 20/07/2011 14:28

Will you message me too, lettinggo? I'd love to know her name!

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lettinggo · 20/07/2011 14:35

Message sent, hester. I love names too! I love her name and it was the name her mother gave her (one of my questions!!) so even it was awful we would have kept it. But it's not, thankfully. Now she only has DH's awful surname to deal with!!

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Kewcumber · 20/07/2011 14:50

ooh ooh ooh me too lettinggo!

One really important question to ask when you pick up is how she goes to sleep - eg lights on or lights off, straight in bed no cudle etc because it can be one of the most difficult times and a freind of mine spent unhappy hours at bedtime until she realised her daughter went to sleep with the lights still on.

Is she drinking kefir? BEcuase if she is, take whatever formula you plan to put her on with you for last trip and start in Russia feeding her local kefir (check with carers if they use sweetened or unsweetened) then start cutting it with formula and change gradually until it all /mostly formula. Works a treat on DS and we had relatively few food issues (apart form the eating until he was sick one which wore off after a couple of months thankfully!)

ALso if babyhouse is like DS's they gave then kefir in very cute tiny milk botttles - ask them for the last bottle (to feed her but also to keep the bottle as it will probably have her name tagged on it). Oh and make sure you ask for her locker name to take with you too.

Sorry if am teaching my grandmother to suck eggs!

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hester · 20/07/2011 14:51

I've got the message, and I agree it is a lovely lovely name Smile

I have to tell you: I have a friend who many, many years ago adopted a newborn born to a young European girl. Trying to be respectful of cultural heritage, and to make a kind gesture to the birth mother, she asked the bm to name her. Thinking she'd come up with a name from that culture/country, which would sound exotic and lovely etc.

So birth mother, also trying to be respectful and reaching out across cultures, called her - well, confidentiality prevents me from saying what it was, but imagine a really, really common and not particularly attractive English name, and you're there Grin

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Kewcumber · 20/07/2011 14:56

The name I chose for DS I subsequently discovered to be the name of the local supermarket - though luckily her thinks it is quite funny and we have a postcard of said supermarket (it is rather a nice one)

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CheerfulYank · 20/07/2011 15:40

I want to know her name too! :o Some of the Russian names are gorgeous.

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lettinggo · 21/07/2011 21:24

Kew and CheerfulYank, PMs sent.

Back home in rainy Dublin now. DS is upset cos his XMen dvd is in Russian and he'd invited "the lads" around to watch it. So they're watching Family Guy instead. We will NOT be telling the judge in Russia that my 10 year old is allowed to watch XMen and Family Guy. He's so happy to be home. He was a real trooper in Russia but he would eat very little so I'm glad to be back to normal food. He was great with the baby in Russia. He was the only one who got a laugh from her. At one stage, he left to go to the loo and when he came back into the room, she beamed at him so he's delighted with himself. I think he'll be fine when she comes because he's a really "emotionally intelligent" kid - he's always been able to say how he's feeling and we've talked about what being jealous feels like, that it's normal and to be expected and that it's ok for him to feel jealous and put out when she comes.

Kew, great suggestions and please keep them coming. I'd never have thought to ask about how she goes to sleep.
What's kefir? I must go and look that up now....
The baby home director was at pains to point out to me how well she can drink from an open cup. I think she thought it was marvellous that she was that advanced. So I'm guessing that by the time we get her, she won't be on bottles at all because she'll be over a year old. I'm going to try to get her back on them if I can because she really needs building up (and all the attachments reasons too of course).

I've a notebook of questions. I asked loads when I was there and I'm compiling List 2 for when we go back so if you think of anything else, please tell me no matter how simple you think it is.

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hester · 21/07/2011 23:22

It must have been really hard to leave her there, lettinggo. Remind me of the timescale for getting her home?

Lovely to read about her fascination with DS. We had the same: dd2 was besotted with dd1 from the start. She still is: asks for her as soon as she wakes up, last thing before going to sleep, she absolutely adores her and bonded with her much faster than with us. I really hope this will continue, and whatever problems dd2 may experience in managing her adoptive experience in the future, she will always treasure her relationship with her sister.

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lettinggo · 22/07/2011 10:27

hester, I'm heartbroken. I lay in bed last night thinking about her and what a different life she's having at 9 months compared to my ds at that age. I've been taking this process one step at a time and any time the thoughts of meeting her and then leaving came into my head, I pushed them out again. It hit me full force last night that she's there and we're here and there's not a damned thing we can do about it.

We don't have a definite timeline. We signed the initial papers with the notary over there. Now wonderful Russian bureaucracy takes over. The form has to go to Moscow, then back to our region. Then it and all our (updated even though nothing has changed in our lives) paperwork is used to apply in our region for a court date. We have no idea when we'll get a date but in my head I'm thinking we'll have her home for Christmas.

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lettinggo · 22/07/2011 10:33

I'm hoping it will be the same for ds and dd (can I call her that even though she's not ours yet? ) If she goes searching when she's older, there's some tough stuff for her to deal with so I'm hoping he'll be a good support to her. I feel he will. And I'm glad he's old enough now to remember the baby home, the village it's in etc for her, it's an added dimension, iykwim.

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hester · 22/07/2011 11:03

Sad Christmas must seem a long way away. I really hope Russian bureaucracy surprises you with a sudden outbreak of lightning efficiency.

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lettinggo · 05/08/2011 10:30

Woooohooooo!!!! Just got an email saying if we can get all our paperwork updated in the next 2 weeks, we'll have a court date at the end of September!!!!!!!!!! Court is only held on a Thursday in our region so I presume it will be the 29th of Sept.

I'm staying in her village for the 12 days after court and my DH will come home to our son. Then he and DS will travel out on Oct 9th/10th and we'll all travel home on the 12th of October.

And this means I'll be with her for her 1st birthday.

We've got a lot of the paperwork done, it's just a matter of notarising and apostilling now so we should get it done in the two weeks. Yipeeeeee!!!!!!!

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hester · 05/08/2011 10:36

That is such wonderful news Grin Grin Grin

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tigerlillyd02 · 05/08/2011 13:00

First time I've read this thread and it made very interesting reading but what a lovely news for you with your last post!

When I was battling to get my ds and SS seemed to be dragging their feet as they do, they initially told me he'd be around 1 before he was actually placed. I was anxious the whole time, as the time they were spending trying to sort it all out, he was being sent here, there and everywhere and not forming a secure attachment. But, I remember saying - well will he be here for his first birthday?!! That was something I thought was special and after missing out on so much of his early days, desperately wanted to have that important memory with him.

Luckily, it all happened much sooner and I had him at 6 months.

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Failsafe · 05/08/2011 13:39

Aww lettingo ive just read all the threads and i'm blubbing away!

I can't beleive how long it's taken you to get to the open adoption stage and then its all go!

Roll on the 12th october! Grin

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addictediam · 05/08/2011 13:45

I was just wondering how you were doing this morning then just saw this. I'm so glad thus has a happy ending. Do keep us updated Grin

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RosieMapleLeaf · 05/08/2011 13:54

This is my first time reading this thread, I have a huge smile for you! Glad your happy ending is not far away now.

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Kewcumber · 05/08/2011 16:20

being there for 1st birthday is so special - get lots of photos. Its such a nice hole to be able to fill that other childrne take for granted - a 1st birthday party (if you want candles with a cake take the birthday candles with you because you won;t get any there)

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lettinggo · 06/08/2011 01:00

Can I just share with the world how nice humankind is?

Today we needed to go to our GP to update our medical certificates. The GP filled out the forms for the 3 of us, stamped them, phoned his GP wife in the sister practice up the road to get his certificate that proves he's a real doctor, got the cert etc. And instead of charging ?50 each for us which was what I expected and came prepared for, he charged ?35 for all three.


Then I called to the accountant this morning with our documentation that proves we are solvent. He needs to draw up a statement of assets and liabilities. I told him our news about the court date and the urgency of getting his statement before Monday (we have a solicitor's appointment at 11.30 on Monday to have all our documentation notarised). Not only did he have the work done for us this afternoon, he would not take a single penny from us.

We have encountered so many truly good people on this road, it does the heart good to realise that for all the crap you read and hear about, there are some really good people in the world.

So now the only outstanding piece of paper we need is a letter from the health board to say they promise to do all the post-placement reports and we will be done with bureaucracy. Grin

Happy days, girls!

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lettinggo · 06/08/2011 01:09

Kew, being there with her for her first birthday is such a big deal for me. It makes me so unbelievablt happy that I won't miss out on it. DH won't be there and doesn't see it as a big deal. He can't remember DS's first birthday. I remember each and every one of DS's 10 birthdays. And because it's important to me, it will be important to her.

Thanks for the tip about the candles, will bring them with me. A friend of mine was with her DS in Russia for his birthday and brought a cake to the Baby Home for the occasion. The staff took the cake and the children didn't get any so I'll have to feel my way around that. I want the kids to benefit from any celebrating that happens. Any tips for me as to what would be shared among the children?

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Kewcumber · 06/08/2011 14:00

To be honest lettinggo - you should tell your DH that the big deal is not for him (or even for you if I'm being blunt) but for her. Every child takes for granted first birthday pictures/stories/presents and when it comes to school and you get the inevitable projct of bringing out a photo of when they are a baby. She will have the option of a first birthday photo. Just having the choice/stories makes it way less of a bit deal than it would be without. DS does occasionally ask me about what presents he had for his first birthday and loves the story of the birthday card that played a tune that Nanny brought with her which he played incessantly.

Its only when your child starts school IME and you navigate the minefield of a system that is (understandably) not at all geared to children who have no apparetn life before age one that you realise how important it is to them to be able to do all the normal stuff that other kids do (as far as possible).

My advice to you is to take candles, buy a nice cake, tell teh carers that it is tradition to sing, blow the candles out and eat the cake together (ie don't let them waltz off with it) deputise someone to take lots of photos, try to get some photos that would look fairly normal to a third party without the knowledge of adoption (so take some clothes in for her and change her into them and get a photo of her by the cake with lit candle).

I was happy for the carers to eat the cake (along with anyone else who was around) and was happy for them to take what was left away with them. I asked what I could bring in for the children (they absolutely will not let them eat cake!) and they agreed to let me bring in some branded baby biscuits to give all the children in DS's group as a treat - or they might prefer you to take some fruit that they don't normally get.

Russians should know the happy birthday tune as the Kazakhs did.

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Kewcumber · 06/08/2011 14:02

and whenever anyone started a "random acts of kindness" type thread I always feel that I could fill a thread of my own from my time in Kazakhstan and the run up to it. (mind you I could also fill one with pointless bureaucracy and pettymindedness!)

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