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Coup in Zimbabwe - 'bloodless transition'

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AuntieStella Wed 15-Nov-17 07:59:04

Though they say it's not a coup

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-41992351

The army has taken control - in what it describes as a bloodless transition - and has also said that Mugabe is safe (though they decline to say where he is)

It's on BBC Breakfast, but not getting that much reporting soon.

Who is likely to be installed as successor?

TheAntiBoop Wed 15-Nov-17 08:04:24

The deputy he sacked two weeks ago I would imagine

He pushed it too far in his wife's greedy grab for power.

PuffinsSitOnMuffins Wed 15-Nov-17 08:05:14

So apparently his deputy and his wife were likely candidates to succeed him, his deputy had the support of the army and Mugabe sacked him on Monday. Army didn't like that... gu.com/p/7gqkh

RoseAndRose Wed 15-Nov-17 08:05:23

An (unverified) ZANU-PF account has said that Emmerson Mnangagwa has been installed as president.

This is now lead story on BBC

(Harare is GMT+2)

Ifailed Wed 15-Nov-17 08:06:43

it can only mean more misery for the vast majority of the poor and powerless Zimbabweans. It's bound to descend into shoot-outs between armed factions eager to get their hands on power.

TheAntiBoop Wed 15-Nov-17 08:08:03

It's been very quiet on the news front. Dh heard about it from friends in Harare before his dad who lives elsewhere in zim had heard about it

When he sacked the Vice President it was a matter of time as dictators always need the army!!

PuffinsSitOnMuffins Wed 15-Nov-17 08:10:04

He's been in power since 1980. Amazing he's gone but, well, fingers crossed this doesn't get really messy.

TheAntiBoop Wed 15-Nov-17 08:10:25

In some respects it happening before his death may make the transition smoother with zanu pf cementing their control on the country beyond the Mugabe personality cult.

Iris65 Wed 15-Nov-17 08:11:47

Getting lots of coverage now on R4.

PuffinsSitOnMuffins Wed 15-Nov-17 08:13:05

Sorry, correction, just checked Wikipedia, he's been president since 1987, prime minister before that.

AuntieStella Wed 15-Nov-17 08:16:05

This time-lime looks pretty good:

www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/nov/15/zimbabwe-army-control-harare-coup-robert-mugabe-live

RoseAndRose Wed 15-Nov-17 09:06:05

Good article, and links to background here:

uk.reuters.com/article/uk-zimbabwe-politics/zimbabwe-army-launches-takeover-against-criminals-around-mugabe-says-president-safe-idUKKBN1DE1WB

Butterymuffin Wed 15-Nov-17 09:08:31

It was top story on the 9am news.

chantico Wed 15-Nov-17 09:36:32

Trying to avoid violence, the Army says, but arrest the criminals around Mugabe.

So could he get to stay on as a figurehead, if succession is secured away from Grace and her supporters?

But if he goes into total retirement, does that make HMQ the oldest head of state?

schoolgaterebel Wed 15-Nov-17 09:45:03

This is definitely the end of his reign of terror, he will have no respect after this, he ruled his people with an iron fist, he will be seen as weak now.

Grace Mugabe is toxic, with stories of her violence and unprovoked attacks towards members of staff etc. being covered up for years, she truly is a mad woman.

I think this military coup (which is not a coup apparently) is the easiest way to get the Mugabes out of power. Whether the new regime will be any better, time will tell.

TheAntiBoop Wed 15-Nov-17 09:48:03

I think they will keep Mugabe as a figurehead but grace and her cronies are toast

His son recently posted a picture of him pouring champagne over his 60k watch with the caption along the lines of 'I can do this because my dad runs a country'.

PerkingFaintly Wed 15-Nov-17 10:31:39

Yes, I think Mugabe as figurehead while the rest of the government changes.

I'm desperately crossing everything. Scared it'll turn into a violent morass, but with a tiny glimmer of hope that this will allow a transition rather than the cliff-edge that was set to happen when Mugabe died.

TheAntiBoop Wed 15-Nov-17 11:02:23

Agree perking

Fil has been predicting a coup for the last 9 months - the feeling against Grace has been bubbling a lot

fartyghost Wed 15-Nov-17 21:00:13

I think plenty of people will be glad to see the back of him, he's a nasty piece of work and don't get me started on his wife. At 93 I doubt he's fit for much more than a figurehead anyway.

I feel for the poorer people in Zimbabwe, they are going to end up coming out of this very badly I believe.

MyOtherProfile Wed 15-Nov-17 22:57:59

I always hoped he would be ousted and not just die in his sleep in peace and comfort.

fartyghost Thu 16-Nov-17 07:24:19

Yes, I don't like to wish ill on people but there are some exceptions..I wouldn't be in the slightest bit bothered if he were to die in poverty rather than surrounded by expensive houses, cars and ridiculous luxury gained at the expense of people who don't have basic human rights.

VikingVolva Thu 16-Nov-17 07:27:04

I think however that he'll want to maintain status as President, simply to continue as immune from prosecution. Perhaps some sort of President Emeritus status?

PerkingFaintly Thu 16-Nov-17 09:07:03

Well this is why he hasn't gone before, so it's often speculated. He hasn't shown any appetite for ruling for years, just doesn't want to be prosecuted. Or lose the comfy lifestyle, obviously.

Dapplegrey Thu 16-Nov-17 17:10:35

I wish he could be arrested for human rights offences.

VikingVolva Fri 17-Nov-17 12:18:09

He is, apparently, asking for a few more days. But the War Veterans have said it is time to stand down, so I think there is no way he can continue now,

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