Theresa May wants to scrap the human rights act

[electra]

I heard this on radio 4 at the weekend.

Apparently it's something to do with 'foreigners taking advantage' - wow the tories have a nice way of sounding prejudiced against just about anyone don't they?

[cookcleanerchaufferetc]

I had zero respect for this woman but now I actually think she has some courage to stand up for what millions of people want. Of course actioning her words is a different matter.

Let's get tough like lots of other countries ... Actually, not tough, just realistic.

[Saltire]

I've always thought that the UK must have a different HRA to the rest of Europe as the other countries seem to do a lot of things that we can't and there's always something in the news about people taking the Government to court over this that or the other HRinfringement

[onagar]

I'm torn on the whole "being ruled by Europe" thing. We do seem to get tied in knots over some things and this obligation to be nice to criminals is one of them. So I do think we should write our own replacement for HRA.

On the other hand if Theresa May wants to scrap it then she is probably more interested in scrapping the rules that protect ordinary citizens from her.

[electra]

It will be a good excuse for them to get around the problem of shitting on disabled people as their proposed changes to out of work benefits for disabled people have been decribed as in breach of the human rights act. Oh and the fact that they have decided terminally ill people are fit for work unless they're going to die within the next 6 months.

[cookcleanerchaufferetc]

It will be a good excuse to kick non British born criminals out of this country .... I have no problem with getting rid, or amending the human rights act. It is abused too much.

With this comment by teresa may, the eurozone problems, threat of major recession and all the crappy EU red tape bollocks, I hope, no pray, we get out of the EU for good.

[electra]

If they do it though, the coalition is predicted to break down as Nick Clegg has said he's not going to move from his position that the Human Rights Act should remain.

[Dawndonna]

Right to life
Freedom from torture and inhuman or degrading treatment
Right to liberty and security
Freedom from slavery and forced labour
Right to a fair trial
No punishment without law
Respect for your private and family life, home and correspondence
Freedom of thought, belief and religion
Freedom of expression
Freedom of assembly and association
Right to marry and start a family
Protection from discrimination in respect of these these rights and freedoms
Right to peaceful enjoyment of your property
Right to education
Right to participate in free elections
So, why would we want to get away from this?
Oh, no more riots, for those who are disenfranchised and disillusioned.
No more protests against government policies.
Gaining the right to throw protesters, not just looters from their homes.
To ensure the disabled are slung in with benefit scroungers.
Teresa May makes me sick.

[electra]

The stuff about criminals who are not british born is just propaganda designed to appeal to the nasty little racists xenophobics.

[electra]

I agree Dawndonna.

[cookcleanerchaufferetc]

Learco chindamo killed Philip Lawrence, the head teacher. He could not be deported because of his human rights. He is fucking Italian.

Electra - not racist, just law abiding who wants human rights for decent people.

[onagar]

The stuff about criminals who are not british born is being used as propaganda, but it's also true isn't it.

Here's a suggestion (but they won't go for it). Duplicate the whole thing in UK law, word for word. THEN go through discussing bits we might change.

[Ciske]

You mean these rights:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/946400.stm

The ones that form the very basis of civilised society, the ones humankind spent centuries fighting for?

The ones that forbid murder, slavery, torture? The ones that give us freedom of conscience, the right to a fair trial, the right to join trade unions and express our own opinions without fear of prosecution?

Are those the 'inconveniences' that 'Europe' brought on the UK?

Theresa May is an idiot. I'm glad to LibDems are showing some backbone over this.

[onagar]

Actually Ciske we had most of those before we joined Europe. The EU is relatively recent.

[CogitoErgoSometimes]

You have to read between the lines rather than take things absolutely on face value. This is a pre-conference positioning statement from a particular section of the Conservative party. Expect other statements on where various sections want them to be on Europe. Expect still more on how much influence the Lib Dems should have. It's standard pre-conference behaviour to try to pull the agenda in particular directions.

[cookcleanerchaufferetc]

If the government said any person who is not British born and commits a crime should be deported I would not have a problem with that. Other countries do it. I am sick of living amongst convicted terrorists and murderers.

I understand where dawn donna is coming from but the HRa is abused. happy to hear people calling for their human rights, but not for scum.

[electra]

No, it's not true. Not in my opinion. The human rights act is there for good reason. And criminals are people too and have rights, yes even criminals, imagine that(!)

[gramercy]

I think you would feel pretty sick, Dawndonna, if it was your child who had been murdered by someone who had come to this country illegally, but could not be deported because of his "right to family life". Obviously this is an extreme example but it does happen, and in fact foreign criminals do make a point of heading to Britain so they escape justice in their own countries. The sort of places they come from are probably glad to get shot of them.

I absolutely hate this "rights" business. It sounds belligerent, grasping and has been hijacked by those who believe liberty to do whatever one wants clearly trumps anyone else's "right" to live in a civilised society.

[electra]

So we're all going to be a lot safer without foreign criminals, because........british people do not commit crimes. Silly me, I had forgotten that. Nearly all of the child murderers who I have been aware of in my lifetime were british themselves gramercy.

[onagar]

electra when you said "No, it's not true. Not in my opinion" were you referring to my comment about it being true that foreign born criminals are often allowed to stay here because of their 'human rights'?.

If so I'm afraid that is just a fact that all sides acknowledge and not a matter of opinion. Whether it is good or bad thing can be a matter of opinion of course.

[cookcleanerchaufferetc]

Electra - please explain why a convicted killer, born in Italy, can not return there due to Human rights?

[nenevomito]

I'm sick of living with bigoted idiots who would sign away freedoms and rights under the misguided opinion that it wouldn't affect them as they are "decent and law abiding".

Any changes to freedoms and human rights affect everyone and once they are gone you are unlikely to ever get them back. They are not there just to protect foreign criminals, they are there to protect everyone.

[ajandjjmum]

So many of the rights are open to individual interpretation, which in turn opens the cases up for appeal after appeal, costing huge amounts of money at a time we have none. As well as exposing decent people to acts of crime.

Unfortunately where there are rights, there are also people willing to take the piss. And my thought is that if you're a serious criminal, you forfeit your rights. But of course, that would depend on the interpretation of 'serious'.

[cookcleanerchaufferetc]

People who follow the law and are good responsible citizens should have human rights. Murderers who drive cars illegally and without insurance, and under the influence, and kill a kittle girl, are scum. And if they are non British, then yes, they can fuck off. People can live in this country but like most countries, they should be made to follow the law and integrate within our society or get kicked out.