Nespresso for babies

[megcleary]

www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/may/26/nestle-launches-machine-baby-milk

is this real?

[5318008]

yes I'm afraid it is real

[Happygomummy]

What is your issue with it? Just out of interest.

I guess the debating points could be, amongst others:

1. Will it discourage mothers from BF?
   
2. Is it necessary?
   
3. Can it be easily/properly sterilised?
   

My first reaction was "bloody hell how naff", but then a small part of me said "Oooh I'd have loved one of those"; I did BF both for 8 months and this machine would have in no way persuaded me to FF from start (note, this is personal choice and not meant as any judgement on those who do FF), but this machine could have been handy when it came to making up bottles, which I hated.

Just wondering......

[going]

I think it's a great idea. It's fast, milk will made to correct strength and temp (I assume). I bf two of mine beyond 2 years but see the benfit for those who choose to ff/mixed feed.

[5318008]

have a read

[megcleary]

I just don't see how they can do the 70 degree heat thing and still have it ready to drink is all.

[FrozenNorthPole]

Yes, my key concern would be that even if the servings of formula powder are individually wrapped, they still - by definition - won't be sterile, so it will carry a higher risk of gastro-intestinal complications than a bottle of formula made properly using freshly boiled water cooled to 70 degrees. I hope I've misunderstood how it works but suspect i haven't. Off to read what the BMA say ...

[niceguy2]

So basically the objections are that women should breastfeed rather than bottlefeed.

Everyone agrees that in theory breastfeeding is best. Not even Nestle is disputing that one.

But I resent the whole "You must breastfeed or its tantamount to child abuse" furore.

When my daughter was born, my GF tried desperately to BF. It wasn't happening. GF was distraught, my daughter was starving. So we should have applied more pressure to both of them eh?

No, i drove down to the late night chemist and bought formula.

Now despite all the stark warnings that I'd be therefore destined to raise a malnourished child who would be stupid and ill at the drop of a hat. Instead I have a 14 year old daughter who will be taking her maths GCSE a year early and has a 99% attendance at school and even that 1 day off was only because of a migrane which I can't think is related to the fact she wasn't breastfed!

If Nestle want to sell this, good luck to them. I can't see many women buying them but who knows......

[DioneTheDiabolist]

Erm, doesn't a mum with a kettle and some formula do the same thing? I object to this on environmental and not wanting another big stupid, expensive, useless machine taking up cupboard/worktop space in my house grounds. I can't see that it would discourage anyone from breast feeding though.

[paddypoopants]

I can't see the appeal really. If you want faff free formula just use the ready made stuff. I can't believe that the nespresso stuff will work out much cheaper than them. They don't look as good on the kitchen surface mind you.

[FrozenNorthPole]

Niceguy - no, most people's key objection should be that ...
"The system does not follow WHO guidance which requires all water - even bottled water - to be boiled before being added to powdered infant formula at no less than 70 degrees C. This important decontamination step is needed because powdered formulas may be intrinsically contaminated with harmful pathogens, such as Enterobacter Sakazakii."
... and I assume you, as what sounds like a responsible and loving parent, would agree with this and want formula feeding to be as safe as possible. So why on earth wish Nestle good luck ?

[Gastonladybird]

If it's who guidance why do all French formula (or did 2 years ago) state you make it up with bottled water (they specify brand but not that needs to e boiled). Given guidance by who is taken differently in various countries, I can see how this nestle idea slips under wire.

And am with niceguy- breast is best but if you do ff anything that helps is good. But that said fail to see why you would use this (even if did follow guidelines ) if can buy pre made formula.

[niceguy2]

Well because I doubt Nestle will be selling very many of these machines in the UK, let alone in Africa.

And i'm pro-choice. If formula milk gives a parent choice, then so be it. As long as people are educated about the pros & cons then I'd like people to make their own choices. I doubt very much a middle class mum forgoing her Kit-Kat in solidarity so the poor African mum with no access to clean water nor the ability to boil any, has any idea what the hell she's going through.

[DioneTheDiabolist]

Nice guy, are you trying to turn this into a different thread? Maybe FF vs BF or Nestle: Nice or Nasty? Because it is neither and no one but you is trying to make it so.

[peppapighastakenovermylife]

Niceguy - whatever your aim you have given me a much needed laugh by suggesting that Nestle do no dispute breast is best.

[Triggles]

gastonladybird I think the problem is that many people misunderstand why the water needs to be boiled. It needs to be boiled so that the water is hot enough when mixing in the powder to kill possible bacteria that may be in the powder. Many think that the water is being boiled to kill bacteria that might be in the water itself, hence the use of bottled water. I think slowly the information is getting to people, but honestly, I was a bit surprised at how badly (and incompletely) it was explained to me by the midwife (and I was actually already aware of it).

[Triggles]

I'm curious if this machine doesn't follow WHO guidelines for safely mixing the formula (which it doesn't appear to), will Nestle be liable if a child get ill from bacteria in the formula?

[Triggles]

gets*

[wikolite]

I don't see the problem with this at all, surely its just the latest innovation in formula feeding.

[fairydoll]

I think it's a fab idea!!

[fairydoll]

Triggles-
microbes need some water to survive and certainly to grow.

[Triggles]

directly from the babymilkaction.org site:

"The system does not follow WHO guidance (right) which requires all water - even bottled water - to be boiled before being added to powdered infant formula at no less than 70 degrees C. This important decontamination step is needed because powdered formulas may be intrinsically contaminated with harmful pathogens, such as Enterobacter Sakazakii. (2)"

So apparently there is a concern. It would be the same as the powdered formula in the tins, which requires this step to ensure pathogens are killed. So obviously it is an issue, and one which it doesn't seem to address.

[Rannaldini]

fab, what a brilliant idea..does it have a foamer option? can it make frappacinos? yum

[Clytaemnestra]

Sounds brilliant. I moved DD on to formula at 7 months and loathed making up bottles, they were always too hot, too cold or not ready. Gave up and went onto cartons, but if I'd been formula feeding for longer then it would have been perfect.

[smallsofthamish]

@ DioneTheDiabolist Sun 29-May-11 22:26:38: so what if NiceGuy2 is trying to turn the discussion in a different direction? Isn't that what discussions are supposed to do - ebb and flow from one topic to another, often back to the original? For the record, I think his comments remain valid in the context of the overall discussion - BF vs FF/Nestle are topics that can't be avoided in this thread.
And further for the record - like him, I'm pro-choice, the categoric statement about exclusive breast feeding should be positioned as advice, not something that could make a new mum feel inferior or as if she's not properly looking after her baby. That said, I wouldn't buy one of these machines (or their coffee version), on environmental grounds

[porcamiseria]

so what? its for rich people that FF...and? I cant see the big deal, people that want to FF, will. end of