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Why people voted leave if anybody wants to knoe

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RBeer Tue 27-Dec-16 03:50:06

So I asked the smartest friend whom I have known for many a year why the majority of people voted leave. He told me to watch the big short movie. So I did. And on the 5th watch I found it. So , not that it matters, but I thought it good to share in case others could learn.
"People want an authority to tell them how to value things but they choose this authority not based on facts or results,” “They choose it because it seems authoritative or familiar.”

RBeer Tue 27-Dec-16 04:00:54

Apparently, according to my friend, if Murdoch didn't want a Brexit, it would not be so.

OdinsLoveChild Tue 27-Dec-16 04:01:55

Surely it's also that those who voted remain like being told what to do by the eu and those who voted leave don't? fhmm

Grindelwaldswand Tue 27-Dec-16 04:02:38

I'd rather not take words of wisdom from someone who can't spell or speak properly. hmm

EssentialHummus Tue 27-Dec-16 04:39:05

I think you need to watch that film once or twice more OP. confused

Corcory Tue 27-Dec-16 12:59:16

That's complete rubbish RBeer. I don't want an extra authority so certainly not interested in that idea at all. I think I am quite independent thinking.

Corcory Tue 27-Dec-16 13:00:40

Oh and I've never known know spelt like that!

MavisTheTwinklyToreador Tue 27-Dec-16 13:02:44

Simple typo as e is next to w.

Sounds a daft theory in any case.

NoBetterName Tue 27-Dec-16 13:07:42

The majority of people did not vote leave. The majority of those who voted, voted leave. This accounted for approximately 26% of the population.

50% of the adults in our household did not get a vote.

DarthPlagueis Tue 27-Dec-16 13:27:36

There are some theories that link Brexit and Trump with authoritarianism, I'm fairly sure there was a piece of research linking the two.

WrongTrouser Tue 27-Dec-16 13:33:28

I'm not sure why people struggle so much with the reason people voted leave being that they don't want to be in the EU, myself.

DarthPlagueis Tue 27-Dec-16 13:46:11

I think that the reasons for not being in the EU are so wide and varied, and some aren't really valid reasons at all?

Mistigri Tue 27-Dec-16 13:59:39

^50% of the adults in our household did not get a vote.

Four people in our household, all British citizens. Number entitled to vote in the referendum? Zero.

As in the US election, there is a good argument to be made that disenfranchisement and voter suppression were the real winners.

WrongTrouser Tue 27-Dec-16 14:07:10

Misti Why couldn't they vote, if you don't mind saying?

MistressMaisie Tue 27-Dec-16 14:12:17

I def think that doing nothing to punish the bankers contributed to brexit and trump - if those in gov can think it's ok to screw the ordinary person and let the xxxxs off scot free people will get angry

DarthPlagueis Tue 27-Dec-16 14:19:47

But both Brexit and Trump will screw ordinary people more. For example the cost of Brexit has now meant that austerity will last well into the middle of the next decade.

MistressMaisie Tue 27-Dec-16 14:29:34

People who believe the world population can continue forever on its path of expanding consumerism (i.e. More and more adopting this wasteful western lifestyle of making purchasing trashing ad infinitum are going to have to be proved wrong or we will drown in our own trash) are wrong some austerity is a good thing

DarthPlagueis Tue 27-Dec-16 14:50:06

Public spending austerity and personal austerity are not the same thing though. Austerity of government finances impacts on the lowest paid the most and then the middle. The people who are able to avoid its impacts are the ones that are not reliant on public provision of services.

In 10 years time when school budgets are still falling and an ageing population is putting even more pressure on the NHS, most people's living standards and life chances will have diminished, except for the wealthy.

Mistigri Tue 27-Dec-16 15:45:51

WrongTrouser because I am a British citizen exercising my right of free movement and am the wrong side of the 15 year rule.

Of the adult British citizens that I know who live in the EU, only a minority were able to cast a vote. Most were disenfranchised due to the 15 year rule, or had their votes suppressed because their postal ballots arrived late or not at all.

larrygrylls Tue 27-Dec-16 15:58:57

'I def think that doing nothing to punish the bankers contributed to brexit and trump - if those in gov can think it's ok to screw the ordinary person and let the xxxxs off scot free people will get angry'

It was not just the bankers. The politicians, right up to the very top, condoned the way mortgages were sold, packaged and resold. The central banks (the 'experts') only mildly warned of 'potential' risks.

And, if you read the Big Short (book better than film, actually) a lot of 'low latency' or 'high frequency' trading turns out to be no more than front running (only using computers to beat your order by micro or nanoseconds). Again, this has not been made illegal and is still going on, despite it being a direct tax on everyone's pension.

The furore over Trump and Brexit makes me laugh, when the above two egregious examples of exploitation of the general public to enrich a very few are met with barely a shrug, if not outright condoned.

DarthPlagueis Tue 27-Dec-16 16:07:15

I don't think anyone would condone them.

The problem is with Brexit and Trump is that the very people who opposed reforms to banking have led the charge, and I see the chair of the central bank in the UK that oversaw this period is being welcomed by the leave campaign.

larrygrylls Tue 27-Dec-16 16:16:41

Darth,

That is a bit of a nonsequitur really.

The point is that people talk about 'post truth' as if we used to live in an era of truth, where experts gave us accurate and balanced assessments, whereas the reality was they gave us a 'truth' which suited their employers.

Like the boy who cried wolf, why would they then be expected to be believed over Trump and Brexit?

DarthPlagueis Tue 27-Dec-16 16:22:13

I don't think its a non-sequitur at all, if you look at the leaders of the leave campaign and many of its most vocal supporters they are great proponents of free markets and reducing regulations.

I do think that was a problem with the remain campagin being fronted by Cameron and Osborne, they couldn't admit that they hadn't reformed the banking sector and that many of the concerns that people had were not down to immmigration, but actually the impact of austerity. Its also interesting that those areas that are least effected by immigration but most effected by austerity voted leave, there is certainly a correlation there.

NoBetterName Tue 27-Dec-16 16:59:12

Misti, within our wider family we have a similar situation too. My df for example has not lived in the UK for 20 years, British citizen and retired senior army officer who worked for this country for his whole career. No vote in the referendum because of the number of years he's lived abroad. Others within the family in similar situations, but don't want to list as it would out me.

TheHoneyBadger Wed 28-Dec-16 08:53:16

why would people who have lived out of this country for 15 years expect to have a vote on national matters?

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