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To think to say wearing the hijab brings you 'respect' and 'security'.

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Eltonjohnssyrup Thu 08-Feb-18 08:09:23

Just to start off - this is not a 'ban the burka' thread. I respect the right of all women to wear exactly what they want be that a burka, a bivouac, a hijab, short shorts or a bikini.

It was World Hijab Day yesterday. An event which was promoted by government agencies including the Home Office.

The organisation promoting this event has claimed that the hijab brings you 'liberation'. I'm fine with that. I can see how it would feel liberating not to have to worry about bad hair days or styling every day. And feeling liberated is a personal thing. One woman might feel liberated wearing a full length skirt and long sleeves, one might feel liberated in a bodycon dress and bikini.

But then they went on to say that the hijab brings you 'respect and security'. I feel really uncomfortable about this. It implies that there is a type of respect which women who do not wear the hijab are unworthy of. That showing our hair makes us unworthy of automatic respect.

And 'security', security from what? Harassment? Rape? Terror attacks? This sort of language is moving the responsibility for women's security onto women by saying 'wear this and you'll be secure'. In other words, don't wear it and you're taking risks, asking for it, sending out a signal it is okay to grope or harrass you.

This makes me really uncomfortable, especially in the era of me too. AIBU to think that this campaign should be moderating it's language to avoid tarring those who don't wear it with negative associations? And that the government and Home Office shouldn't be endorsing an organisation that uses it? It's not sending a message of 'women are free to wear what they like' and instead is sending a message that if women want to safe and respected they must cover up.

Tapandgo Fri 09-Feb-18 23:37:08

The hijab does not bring a person respect, security or liberation. A bullet proof vest, huge bank balance and independent life could give you that more than a hijab. Utterly ridiculous claims being made about a black shroud.

I’m sure most of us feel respected, secure and liberated regardless of what we put on that day.

crunchymint Fri 09-Feb-18 23:39:37

Totally agree OP and is based on the concept that women who are "modest" deserve more respect and are safer from sexual harassment. Very misogynistic.

stopfuckingshoutingatme Fri 09-Feb-18 23:40:15

It’s some Words to make the many decent women that wear hijab feel more
Comfortable

Let it lie OP sheesh

ThreeFish Fri 09-Feb-18 23:40:56

The home office supported this view? Links please.

Guavaf1sh Fri 09-Feb-18 23:41:13

Absolutely spot on OP

crunchymint Fri 09-Feb-18 23:41:54

Yes please link what the Home Office said OP. Because this deserves to be protested

lucylouuu Fri 09-Feb-18 23:41:56

you say feeling liberated is a personal thing, perhaps feeling secure can be a personal thing to?

lucylouuu Fri 09-Feb-18 23:42:52

deserves to be protested?! because there's a day to make women who wear hijabs feel supported? wow

shakeyourcaboose Fri 09-Feb-18 23:42:55

Emmm so its only 'decent' woman who wear one? Are those of us who don't then indecent??

FrancisCrawford Fri 09-Feb-18 23:44:48

they went on to say that the hijab brings you 'respect and security'

How does a garment do this?

If it were the case, everyone would wear it and there would be no rape, murder, assault etc

By saying that a garment does these magical things does imply that women not wearing it are not worthy of respect and do not deserve to be secure, otherwise they would wear it.

crunchymint Fri 09-Feb-18 23:48:56

lucy Yes the Home Office should not be saying that women who wear the Hijab are more respected or safer.

Red2017 Sat 10-Feb-18 00:01:06

everyone has the right to be respected regardless of how they are dressed

just to clarify hijab is not a head covering it's more than that... loose clothing.. mannerisms etc ...

Turkkadin Sat 10-Feb-18 00:03:52

Again this is a Muslim thing. The scarf is worn by Muslim women.
A women wearing the hijab scarf is seen by Muslim men as pious, devout, not to be leered at in a sexual way. Virtuous, virginal if unmarried, family orientated, unavailable for anything other than a serious relationship if not yet married.

Turkkadin Sat 10-Feb-18 00:04:36

All these things make her worthy of a mans respect.

OhYouBadBadKitten Sat 10-Feb-18 00:05:33

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SersioulycanitgetWORSE Sat 10-Feb-18 00:05:48

It's tricky when we have women being disappeared and thrown in jail right now as a protest against being forced to wear one. confused

echt Sat 10-Feb-18 00:11:31

shit stirring as usual Elton

????

MissionItsPossible Sat 10-Feb-18 00:12:47

I personally don't mind a hijab if that's what a woman wants to wear but I really don't like the niqab and don't agree with its usage in this country.

ReanimatedSGB Sat 10-Feb-18 00:20:09

It's a tricky one. Women should, obviously, wear what they want, for whatever reason they want (as should everyone) and I have certainly read enough stuff from women who choose to wear hijab or dress in 'modest' clothes as a kind of loyalty-to-their-culture stance rather than being coerced into it. And there are also women who are forced to cover themselves, along with being subjected to other forms of misogynistic mistreatment.
Then again, women wearing hijab in the UK and some parts of Europe are sometimes attacked in the street by racists. So I think the idea of 'National Hijab Day' is well-intentioned but... not getting it quite right.

crunchymint Sat 10-Feb-18 00:22:11

My issue is if the Home Office said that the hijab brought security and respectability.

echt Sat 10-Feb-18 00:44:05

Here's a link to the Evening Standard which mentions the role of the FO:
www.standard.co.uk/news/world/foreign-office-employees-invited-to-wear-headscarves-to-work-to-mark-world-hijab-day-a3761146.html

And here's Al Jazeera:
www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/women-unite-world-hijab-day-180130075615413.html

RunningOutOfCharge Sat 10-Feb-18 00:45:55

Well the home office might like to think that

Majority clearly don't though

BonnieF Sat 10-Feb-18 00:49:46

Turkaddin

ALL women are ‘worthy of a man’s respect’, and if he does not respect a woman wearing a short skirt or a low-cut top, the fault is with him, not her.

FreudianSlurp Sat 10-Feb-18 00:52:41

But then they went on to say that the hijab brings you 'respect and security'.

The Standard link above says "In an internal memo, the Foreign Office said that the headscarf is worn by some women who see it as representing “liberation, respect and security."

Not quite the same thing. They are not saying it brings respect etc, they are saying that some women see it that way, which they do.

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