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MrsBucketxx Tue 11-Feb-14 07:44:23

Aibu to think nurseries and cm's seem to be the only profession, that takes money regardless if they have done any work that day.

Sick children yup you pay
Holidays yup you pay
They take a holiday you have to find childcare and pay again
You want a holiday you pay
Children at nursery when you use a cm you pay.

It seems to be the same across the board. Aibu to think this is wrong.

I am self employed and this would never hapoen in my own line of work

YoureBeingASillyBilly Tue 11-Feb-14 21:18:27

Are you saying you dont know anyone other than CMers who get holiday pay OP? confused

YoureBeingASillyBilly Tue 11-Feb-14 21:23:02

OP if you want pay as you go child care then you have to accept the risk that you turn up one morning and there are no spaces. Childcarers are limited to the numbe of midees they can have and have to know that their spaces are filled in order to pay bills. They have to charge to hold the space or people would (and do) take the piss.

SS3J Tue 11-Feb-14 21:33:40

Many of the staff at a nursery are under 18 and are therefore getting an even lower minimum wage. Around �5 an hour. Unsurprisingly they are not always very motivated. You are definitely being unreasonable to begrudge paying a lot for childcare. Surely it is not something you want to scrimp on?!

fairylightsatchristmas Tue 11-Feb-14 21:43:35

I find it so interesting that there is such a variety of approaches with CMers. The first one we used was a cheap hourly rate and we only paid for exactly what we used, even if DC was sick at short notice she wouldn't charge us. She also didn't charge in the school hols (DH and I are teachers) because she could fill the place with school age children who don't normally need care. She was adequate as a CM but just barely. Once the DCs reached toddler age we moved them. Our current CM is more expensive and does have set contracted hours. She does charge for sick kids and we have negotiated a reduced holiday rate for school hols (which is very decent and we wouldn't argue if she had to charge full cost) but she doesn't charge when she is unavailable. She is also amazing and loves what she does and the kids adore her.

I think no sick or holiday IS the downside of being self employed but its the trade off for the flexibility and freedom of being your own boss. I think the problem with cost is that we pay over £1000 a month which is a huge chunk of our income so seems expensive but after tax etc, that's probably only about £750 for her which is only about 1/5 of our household net income so she is not raking it in. She has a few other kids for wraparound care but I know her household is pretty hard up and so whilst it is a huge bill for us, I don't begrudge it. I don't know if subsidised care is right or not - that's a different thread and there are arguments on both sides but I do think people misunderstand the economics of childcare as outlined above. What is a vast outlay to most households is not actually a very good wage for the CM / nursery at the other end.

stopprocrastinating Tue 11-Feb-14 21:46:27

My child doesn't charge when DD poorly or on holiday.

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 11-Feb-14 22:54:43

Many of the staff at a nursery are under 18 and are therefore getting an even lower minimum wage. Around �5 an hour

Nmw for a under 18 is £3.72 it's £5.03 for a 18-21 year old

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 11-Feb-14 22:55:14

It goes up on your 21st birthday

Mimishimi Tue 11-Feb-14 23:14:32

With all your grievances, the only one I agree with is charging for their own holidays. I think that should be worked into the hourly rate of when they do provide the care. The rest? Not unfair at all - they are not there to serve you at your whim. You are paying for the spot regardless of whether you feel like showing up that day or not. And like any other business, if you don't like it you can go and take your custom elsewhere.

SingMoreWhenYoureWinning Tue 11-Feb-14 23:19:30

I have a cm for two ds's.

I can understand that a CM would still charge when the child is sick. Or when the family are on holiday or don't use the cm on an agreed day for any reason.

The one thing I have a problem with is CM's charging for their holidays.

My CM takes 4 weeks a year. She 'only' charges half price on these weeks.
Meaning that I have to pay 48 weeks of the year at normal rate, and 4 weeks of the year at time and a half as I have to use a temp CM.

Why? Other self-employed people don't get to charge their clients when they're out of the office.

I do feel it's really unfair. There's no alternative though, every cm I've looked into charges a minimum of half price for their holidays.

YoureBeingASillyBilly Tue 11-Feb-14 23:25:44

Other self employed people set their rates to allow them to take holiday. Some CMers do too but it usually means a higher hourly rate and couldnt end up costing more over the year. Those that dont set their rates higher to allow for holidays will charge for holidays otherwise they wont take them and will burn out. That's not what uou want in the person caring for your child. So whether you pay at the time of the holiday, or pay via the increased rate you will be paying for those holidays.

YoureBeingASillyBilly Tue 11-Feb-14 23:26:21

could end up

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