Gillian Philip has decided to sue her publisher.

[Signalbox]

I'm not linking anything because I don't want to get deleted but if you google "Gillian Philip crowdfund" you might find what you are looking for. She already has 6362 potatoes planted.

[MarciaDidia]

@MissPollysFitDolly

There are two cases up on crowd justice but neither of them are accepting new pledges, they should put up an explanation.

Maybe they want to hold off until after this PH.

[Manderleyagain]

Today's hearing is finished. Back tomorrow. It reads to me (from TT) that:
-the respondants have failed to get it thrown out for being timed out.
-Gillian has been allowed to add victimisation and harrassmenf to her claim.
-The respondents have not provided enough info for the judge to decide whether to strike out the claim based on little chance of success. They have to provide the info (they say it will take 21 days) before that can be decided. Presumably if there was great evidence for a strike out they would have sent it already?

Presumably they will now move on to consider whether she counts as a worker for the purposes of the EA. It's quite sensible to do that first, though means the main evidence may never be heard which wld be a shame.

Her claim is for discrimination based on age as well as gc beliefs.

[Womenandwomenfirst]

I am on side with GP’s core cause but there is more to this particular case than meets the eye. The age discrimination is preposterous, for a start. I just don’t know why that was considered a go-er.

As I said, this is not a simple case of being hounded out of a job by transgender sympathisers. I would not have realised this were I not in the thick of things.

[Manderleyagain]

The age discrimination is preposterous, for a start. I just don’t know why that was considered a go-er.
Presumably it is based on some evidence that resulted from the subject access request or disclosure.

[Signalbox]

The age discrimination is preposterous, for a start. I just don’t know why that was considered a go-er.

Why is it preposterous?

[Ameanstreakamilewide]

Is it possible to dial in to the hearing?

[Womenandwomenfirst]

There are women older than her working there so….

[PurgatoryOfPotholes]

Ah yes, that's how it works. If a company has some female employees, then it's officially impossible for it to have engaged in sex discrimination against totally different female employees.

Gillian will make her case, based on the experiences she had and documentation she has accessed, and the tribunal will assess the evidence. She would have been rather closer to the thick of things than anyone else, let us note.

Hopefully the eventual result will be just.

[Wifwolf]

What do you have to prove to show age discrimination, does anyone know? Would it be enough to demonstrate that part of the reason they saw her as dispensable was her age? Or does it have to be a pattern of employment?

WP produces children’s books. And given the general atmosphere in publishing, I can imagine at least a preference/desire for young, woke writers, though I’d guess many they employ are middle aged women.

[Womenandwomenfirst]

I can’t really say anything else, but as I said this is not a simple “let’s get rid of old terf” situation in favour of wokey-cokey people. It’s really not.

[Signalbox]

@Womenandwomenfirst

There are women older than her working there so….

...So what?

The question is, has this person been discriminated against because of her age? It's irrelevant that there are older people working there.

Perhaps GP's case is that this is indirect discrimination (in relation to age) because people who hold GC views are more likely to be older women.
(I think AB had a similar argument in relation to being a lesbian didn't she? It'll be interesting to see what comes of that.)

[Manderleyagain]

@Womenandwomenfirst

I can’t really say anything else, but as I said this is not a simple “let’s get rid of old terf” situation in favour of wokey-cokey people. It’s really not.

I assume you can't say because you know things that are not in the public domain yet? To be honest I don't think this is helpful. We will find out in open court what all the circumstances were on due course, and as you can't say anything we cant judge whether what you (would) say is important or relevant. It just casts doubt without clarity.

Everyone here has only limited knowledge of exactly what's gone on in any of the cases because that's the nature of it. I give to the funders in the knowledge that some won't succeed, some won't get off the ground at all, and I can't tell which are good and which are not. But in general the more light that is shone on this the better.

She has a right to make whatever case she thinks will work. We just have to wait. If it's really a no go it will be struck out.

[PearPickingPorky]

It was years ago that Gillian lost her job, how come it's not time-barred?

I hope she succeeds.

[Lovelyricepudding]

@PearPickingPorky

It was years ago that Gillian lost her job, how come it's not time-barred?

I hope she succeeds.

Because she didn't just submit her claim yesterday... There are very long waits for things to get to court

[Pyjamagame]

Anyone following this on Tribunal Tweets twitter account today?

[Manderleyagain]

Yes I have read most of it. It's difficult as a non lawyer to know how convincing arguments that she does count as a worker are. I'm convinced by them and I would usually want to give the person bringing the claim the benefit of the doubt that it would be illegal to discriminate against them of discrimination can be proved. But I don't suppose that's how it works.

GPS barrister has managed to make the other sides witness appear shifty and not on top of it. But idk.

[Fenlandia]

twitter.com/Gillian_Philip/status/1556531197131603968

Update via Gillian's Twitter:
"UPDATE: With huge thanks to everyone who has supported me.
We won on time delay - the toughest point. But the judge did not accept I was a “worker” - even though the respondents failed to produce the required documents."

She is going to appeal and her allotment needs some watering (hosepipe bans permitting)

[JanieAllen]

ooh you beat me to it! yes please veg needed

[JanieAllen]

No I don't I presume on legal advice? 1/5 of veg is rolling in. Please keep lobbying veg.

[yourhairiswinterfire]

Gillian has been granted permission to appeal.

twitter.com/SpeechUnion/status/1570788304999841792

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Very pleased to hear this.