India Willoughby being vile about Julia HB

[BewaretheIckabog]

India Willoughby used to be a trans person I tried to listen to although I thought she was always obsessed by how feminine she looked and how well she passed. She seemed to think she was not just better at being a woman than other trans people but also most women to.

Now attacking JHB on Twitter as looking more manly than her. It’s hardly the BeKind, be a good, little lady, be nice to everyone is it?

I can appreciate there would be some envy on a career / journalistic level but IW comes across as a thoroughly unpleasant person.

[OhWhyNot]

Doesn’t surprise me

Male entitlement loud and clear

[YetAnotherSpartacus]

I thought they already had?

[OhWhyNot]

Being a woman doesn’t make you a feminist

Not sure why any trans women feels they can talk on behalf of women

Even if there is the acceptance of trans woman being real women their experiences in life are not the same as a females

Are they going to hijack the word female too

[YetAnotherSpartacus]

It's certainly not feminist if IW claims to be a feminist.

[Datun]

I've run the full gamut of feelings about IW, and now feel a bit sorry for them.

They have had their day in the sun.

Banging on about why unshaved legs on women are 'dirty' but not on men, and not understanding the sexism involved.

And now comparing their looks to a woman broadcaster in some weird way? Presumably because they're annoyed by JHB?

It just comes across as hackneyed and a bit passé.

[AsTreesWalking]

I had not seen the BB clip of IW channelling Pinocchio before - how I wish one of the housemates had asked IW what they had in common with the group of women that they do not have in common with a man.

[SpindleWorld]

I just had a quick google and there's a couple on MN threads on it from August 2019. Someone commented, 'if India wants "cis", they're welcome to it'.

[Ghostsintheshelf]

@SpindleWorld

Didn't IW once claim to be a 'cis woman'? I have a recollection of this.

Yes, I've a vague memory of that too.
'"Meet me in the middle," says the unjust man' comes to mind.

[SpindleWorld]

Didn't IW once claim to be a 'cis woman'? I have a recollection of this.

[EarthSight]

@RVN123

IW said that the discussions involving trans people are "viscous and mocking" and yet also says that they thought Mumsnet would essentially be a bunch of silly women talking about prams. Sounds like something a man would say, after all, what else could silly wummins possibly be discussing?
All I remember when thinking about IW is them screaming "I am a REAL WOMAN! Let that penetrate". Interesting choice of words.

The PPs story of them being somewhat confrontational in a ladies changing room sounds about right, obviously hoping someone would take the bait so they could go off on a validating rant.
Most women just want to try on their clothes in peace and privacy.
This is a person who can't see the problem with biological males in women's safe spaces.
Says it all.

Yes. Extremely interesting choice of words! @rvn123

[ScreamingMeMe]

@Abhannmor

JHB is sometimes ' economical with the truth '. But in this case I'm with her. Willoughby ; wannabe.

Well Willoughby was certainly enconomical with the truth with that airbrushed selfie!

[Abhannmor]

JHB is sometimes ' economical with the truth '. But in this case I'm with her. Willoughby ; wannabe.

[RVN123]

IW said that the discussions involving trans people are "viscous and mocking" and yet also says that they thought Mumsnet would essentially be a bunch of silly women talking about prams. Sounds like something a man would say, after all, what else could silly wummins possibly be discussing?
All I remember when thinking about IW is them screaming "I am a REAL WOMAN! Let that penetrate". Interesting choice of words.

The PPs story of them being somewhat confrontational in a ladies changing room sounds about right, obviously hoping someone would take the bait so they could go off on a validating rant.
Most women just want to try on their clothes in peace and privacy.
This is a person who can't see the problem with biological males in women's safe spaces.
Says it all.

[ScreamingMeMe]

[quote OhHolyJesus]I had forgotten about this

twitter.com/jebadoo2/status/1440412769845538818?s=21[/quote]
Oh wow. (Not a good wow.)

[OhHolyJesus]

I had forgotten about this

twitter.com/jebadoo2/status/1440412769845538818?s=21

[QueeniesCroft]

I'm blocked by IW and I've never commented on any thread, ever on Twitter! I must be On A List.

[MLMbotsno]

@Suzysunflower

I had my first post deleted ever!

Real woman are not allowed to say no to trans women demanding our safe spaces, not allowed to express our concerns of safety - it's very sad.

[MLMbotsno]

@Kendodd

I dread to think what IW would make of me.
Short hair, no make up, hairy legs.
And 100% woman.

Love it.

But at least you are a real woman not one that pretends to be because bits have been hacked off.

[OhDear2200]

Sorry lots of agains there! IW has made me angry. Going to make a brew

[OhDear2200]

@IsAnybodyListening again it makes me laugh that India assumes that talking about ‘prams and family matters’ is somehow a soft non political subjects. Again showing such lack of awareness of women’s experiences.

A good pram provides new mother’s (and fathers but I’m going to focus on women) freedom. That freedom is a sanity saver when you are a new parent. It supports women’s mental health. It may also support their physical health if they have suffered trauma following birth.

Again India’s lack of knowledge of what is important to women because India is not a woman results in ignorant comments.

[IsAnybodyListening]

R0wantrees in your post re IW Last week was my first ever visit to Mumsnet. Honestly, I thought it was going to be lots of stuff about prams, or family-related matters

Poor India. I can imagine men would assume a successful site with predominately female users all over the world, from a range of backgrounds would only be nattering about prams and family. I mean, the rest of our heads are filled with fluff and bubble-gum.

[beastlyslumber]

I love JHB. She's a brilliant broadcaster, and a great example of a woman using her voice in a powerful way. She's never fallen for any of the twaw shite and also I slightly fancy her.

[somethinginoffensive]

Does IW just not get it? It makes me laugh that India believes to know what makes a woman.

Not a single man who understands what it actually is to be a woman would ever claim to be one.

So no, india doesn't get it.

[OhDear2200]

Having shaved legs does not make you a woman.

[OhDear2200]

Does IW just not get it? It makes me laugh that India believes to know what makes a woman.

My friend has just given birth. My DH and I were remembering the first days/weeks following the birth of our child. His memories were very different from mine. Do you know why? Because I remember it with a physical memory. A physical memory that no man on this Earth, trans or not, can EVER experience. This example applies to all of human life. It works both ways, I will never know the annoyance of having itchy balls for example