Suzanne Moore - naming and shaming

[Haworthia]

Suzanne Moore is naming and shaming her Guardian colleagues/friends who signed the letter condemning her column. She’s obviously feeling completely betrayed but I’m worried this is going to backfire for her. Tell you what - massive balls though.

[LadyQuarantinaPluckington]

I may have a Life of Brian themed alternate name I wheel out occasionally...

[Lordfrontpaw]

From now on I want you all to call me Loretta.

[ListeningQuietly]

I watched Life of Brian last night.
I'd forgotten how spot on the "Inalienable Rights" scene is, even now

[Winesalot]

Totally agree. The fact that the male body also has the musculature for those flying ball intercepts that women don’t have is also overlooked. And obviously that is just one advantage they have ...

Hopefully something usable will come out of the rugby decision that can be utilized for all codes of footy and any contact sport.

[R0wantrees]

Its a shame that Australian sporting bodies & media didnt say a clearer 'no!' to Mouncey sooner.

2017 FWR thread OP pisacake wrote:
"Hannah Mouncey wants to join the Australian Football League (this is basically rugby) Women's division.
"Mouncey played the final three games in the ruck for Ainslie and kicked 15 goals, with Canberra officials ruling she was not a safety concern."

this despite the fact
"one [female] player broke her leg in a tangle of legs with Mouncey."

Mouncey says:
“I am female like 50 per cent of the population. I may have been born a bit different but there was a real sense of normality when I transitioned,” she said.

The average MALE AFL player is 188cm and 88kg, so Hannah is both taller and heavier, and if admitted will both the tallest and heaviest player in the entire league.

Hannah was previously on the Australian MALE Olympic handball team.... (continues)"


www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3059263-190cm-100kg-size-15-feet-transwoman-tries-to-join-womens-Aussie-Rules-football

[Winesalot]

with these viewpoints (ie Suzanne Moore) that should read.

[Winesalot]

I agree.

I am just as angered that they feel that it is appropriate to not publish the viewpoints, or to encourage a culture that then bullies writers with public outcry, that reasonably question these.

[Winesalot]

Telling indeed. As I said, has to be a prized drongo to think it doesn’t spread sunlight. Well done!

[R0wantrees]

Mouncey is a prized drongo to write this trope.

My contempt is for the Guardian to publish & presumably pay for it.

[R0wantrees]

December 2019 Mail:

'Transgender player vents fury after being dropped from Australia's women's handball team 'because teammates didn't want to get changed and shower with her'
(extract)
"Transgender athlete Hannah Mouncey claims the Australian women's handball team has left her out of the world championships team because her teammates are refusing to share a change room with her.

The international competition will be held in Japan this month, but Mouncey wasn't selected to compete.

In an explosive post in the Star Observer this month, Mouncey said she refused a management request to use a separate changeroom because female teammates felt uncomfortable with her presence

'I was left out of the team for the World Championships because there was a group of players within the team, supported by the team manager, who did not want me showering or using the change rooms before or after the game,' she wrote. (continues)
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7811843/Transgender-AFL-player-vents-fury-kicked-Australias-womens-handball-team.html

Telling isnt it?

[Winesalot]

Yeah. That AFL article is a wonderful example of them using mental illness and positive body image to further shut down debate. While missing the point that with these people competing in sports adds even more pressure to girls and women to ‘just be better’ ...... you know, to overcome male privelege.

Feels like I have travelled back four decades in one reading. Each of their articles must raise so many questions about this.

Mouncey is a prized drongo to write this trope.

[midclegs]

I'm reading The Guardian's trans rights civil war rumbles on via the Spectator app app.spectator.co.uk/2020/03/21/the-guardians-trans-rights-civil-war-rumbles-on/content.html

[SophocIestheFox]

No, no, that Mouncey article was great- I know at least two previously oblivious blokes who read it and their immediate reaction was “what the fuck? No!”. We need Mouncey making appearances on every conceivable platform, along with lots and lots of photos showing Mouncey’s athletic figure next to women. It’s great at demonstrating the physical reality when language isn’t allowed to do so.

[StrangeLookingParasite]

Australian Guardian employed H. Mouncey to write articles.

Oh for fucking fuck's sake.

[MoleSmokes]

As an aside - can't say this often enough, thank you R0wantrees for all your cross-referencing and reminders of previously posted content that has disappeared into magnificent maw of Mumsnet!!

ps. This was such a funny tweet I couldn't resist it!

It was just the picture - no text

twitter.com/jammywalter7/status/1240633851090780162

[DidoLamenting]

Yes, she withdrew when a young student took her side and gently explained everything to her. Natalie Portman also signed and then expressed her regret later

Meryl Streep's support for Polanski saved for all eternity. I don't think she has ever retracted it.

[Binterested]

Transwoman does thing that people have been doing for millennia but does it while being brave and stunning so gets own BBC series (Ben Hunte BBC)

[BritishHorrorStory]

You read so much output from 'journalists' these days and it's just c&p and screenshots of tweets

Agreed. Articles are now mainly:

Twitter in meltdown over xxxx shock.

Three screenshots of tweets, that normally have only 3 or four likes each.

Three paragraphs with the tweets previously screenshot typed out.

And, depending on which media, link it to:

Brexit (The Guardian)
Immigrants (The daily Mail)
Dog walker that tried to break up a fight between two angry geese (Any local newspaper)
Aliens (The daily star)

[LadyQuarantinaPluckington]

I can be more forgiving of actors than I am of journalists - asking questions is their fucking job.

I never give one shiny shit about the opinion of an actor, they are no more or less capable of wisdom than any other person. Their job is to produce pretend emotions, this is no reason to expect authoritative decisions from them.

But yes, it is the job description of a journalist to ask questions, to research, fact check and be coherent.

You read so much output from 'journalists' these days and it's just c&p and screenshots of tweets. Or puff pieces that might as well be advertisements like the shit Ben Hunte produces.

[R0wantrees]

2015 Interesting panel discussion about how media were lobbied (Trans Media Watch/ IPSO etc)

"Paris Lees, Dr Kate Stone, Owen Jones, Freddie McConnell Peter Tatchell, Munroe Bergdorf and Jake Graf discuss the main issues facing the trans community today, and what we all need to do to ensure we live harmoniously and happily as one society. "

The Guardian Live event took place at Amnesty International on 4 June 2015.

[Binterested]

True although those of the ET variety trade on a sort of intellectual veneer which they clearly do not deserve. See also Susan Sarandon who has a reputation for being part of the liberal intelligentsia which seems to be based on nothing more than her being slightly more intelligent than your average Hollywood star (a very low bar). And in any case these days membership of the liberal intelligentsia is hardly a mark of quality given that the liberal project hasbrought us the non-binary balony and other assorted bullshit.

[Floisme]

I can be more forgiving of actors than I am of journalists - asking questions is their fucking job.

[Helmetbymidnight]

So it looks like the signatories have gone for one of four options: I didn’t read it properly (so I’m slipshod and don’t research things, and can be easily compelled to sign any old bumwash); I expected it to be kept anonymous (so I’m a backstabber and a weasel and I don’t own my actions); I didn’t understand the implications of what I was signing (so I’m a bit dim), or lastly, owning it and saying “yes, I stand by this” (so I’m a bully and don’t think a newspaper should publish opinions that differ from my own).

Yy, and it was the same with the Labour Party and the transpledge. signing it revealed them ALL to be both slipshod (will sign/do anything put in front of them - a bit like when those MPs were tricked into fighting a drug called 'Cake') and desperately dim. And I can't understand how anyone can respect these politicians and journos anymore. It's not normal to be that slipshod and dim.

[franke]

Yes, she withdrew when a young student took her side and gently explained everything to her. Natalie Portman also signed and then expressed her regret later.

[Binterested]

Emma Thompson signed the Polanski letter. I immediately understood she was a tribalist not a thinker.