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I want to make sure that Irish politicians can't deny their part in Self ID

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Mermoose · 09/12/2019 09:14

Self ID was introduced in Ireland by lobbyists who purposely avoided public discussion of it.
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

Since then I've written to politicians explaining that gender critical people are not motivated by hatred but have well-founded concerns about sex-based rights, poor medical practice and freedom of speech. All I ever ask is for free and open discussion on this topic. Usually I receive no reply, or at best, one promising a response at a later date (which never comes).

Meanwhile, Irish parties not only support Self ID without explaining why, but they actively discourage discussion. Candidates from both the Greens and the Social Democrats have used the word 'terf'. When Primetime ran an episode on the effect of Self ID and transitioning in young people, Regina Doherty of Fine Gael criticised it for doing so. mobile.twitter.com/ReginaDo/status/1087840022265503744

I think that Self ID, belief in innate gender identity, and denial of biological sex, are all going to turn out to harm a lot of people, trans people included. In time, trying to silence criticism will look, not like a woke vote-winner, but like the arrogance, authoritarianism and stupidity it is.

In the meantime, people get harmed. Because for politicians in Ireland, the safe bet is supporting all this and demonising gender critical people. We need to change that. We need them to wake up and really think about this, and let opposing views be heard.

I think the way to do this is to make sure that they know they can't wash their hands of this if it all turns out the way we think it will. I'm hoping that Irish women & men on here would be interested in a letter-writing campaign. Here's my idea:

We choose a few individuals from each party. We write to them, clearly setting out the possible problems with self ID and current medical treatments. We ask for open debate. And we tell them that the reason several of us are writing the same letter to them, is so that they cannot deny they knew about these issues.

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Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 15/02/2020 00:07

Mermoose

With the possibility of another election, or who knows what can happen.
But if there is another election coming should i/we, start calling into local offices?
I just found out this week that Sinn Fein support self I'd for under 16s.

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Mermoose · 17/02/2020 10:55

Oncewasblueandyellowtoo
I think all the main parties are supportive of WPATH guidelines, self ID for under 16s etc. If you feel comfortable calling into local offices good on you - seeing how many politicians respond to civil questions on this, I don't think I'd want to. I'll try & get more done on this & come up with a more concise way of presenting it all.

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Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 22/02/2020 22:06

Mermoose

WPATH, the name sounds so Professional doesn't it, on first glance you would take it as an authority.
Are they really following these guidelines without researching it?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3414279-Can-we-talk-about-WPATH

I really don't mind calling into the local offices, I just want to present arguments without getting tongue tied. Your op is really good though and I'll work from that.

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