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Now biology is a spectrum? Thoughts please

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addictedtocereal · 31/03/2017 13:42

An acquaintance on FB recently posted an article from Nature.com suggesting that biological sex is more of a spectrum. The article is from 2015 and the closing paragraph is as follows:

"So if the law requires that a person is male or female, should that sex be assigned by anatomy, hormones, cells or chromosomes, and what should be done if they clash? “My feeling is that since there is not one biological parameter that takes over every other parameter, at the end of the day, gender identity seems to be the most reasonable parameter,” says Vilain [ Eric Vilain, a clinician and the director of the Center for Gender-Based Biology at the University of California, Los Angeles.] In other words, if you want to know whether someone is male or female, it may be best just to ask."

Here's a link to the full article:

http://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943


On a first read it seems to me the more complicated cases are very much in the minority but would be interested in people's thoughts on this.

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QuackDuckQuack · 31/03/2017 20:11

A while ago there was a lot of fuss about 'male brain' and 'female brain' being a spectrum related to testosterone. And things about relative finger length being used as a marker for this. There was also a theory that related this to ASD. Has anything come of that? It seems to link to this idea.

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WobblyLegs5 · 31/03/2017 20:20

There are lots and lots of articles/studies related to asd being 'male brain' related, I see them pipping up on my Twitter feed daily (dispite my challenging tweets)

2015 dr lise elliot meta analysis proves that brains are neither male nor female, that other than larger parts of male brains that don't relate to function, at birth babies brains have the opportunity to be either male or female. The effect of hormones long term as well as the use dependant development caused by socialisation are what shape brains differently, bit even then the range of difference within each sex are greater than the difference between m and f brains.

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BBCNewsRave · 31/03/2017 20:35

DJ Children play as perpetration for adult life, they try on many personas. We know that, its why we talk about them going through stages. The protestor or goth stage dont come as a surprise to most sensible parents.

It makes me feel ancient to say this (am only early 30s!) but it does strike me it's a "phase" for an awful lot of trans teens/young people. Despite the horrors of puberty, I found there was a certain delight in realising I was becoming a woman, becoming "sexy", I enjoyed experimenting with my appearance... and in a strange way, where geuinine enjoyment morphs into some weird gaslit Stockholm syndrome thing, I "enjoyed" performing femininity. I don't think I am alone in this! It strikes me from reading blogs etc by transwomen that they are doing the same thing; having a sort of experimental type stage, but crucially, they haven't come out of the other side. But whereas I had waist-length black hair and lots of eyeliner (And I still protest Wink), they have missing body parts and sterility. Yay.

Argh, now I've typed that it seems stating the obvious and I don't know if it's worth posting! My main point is that I have read stuff by transwomen that I can really relate to; it sort of reawakens some teenage thing.

Also, re. intersex - it wouldnt matter if half the population were intersex, it still wouldn't be a reason why the definitely males should be labelled definitely females or definitely intersex.

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Usui101 · 31/03/2017 21:51

Enough already - this is a normal karyotype, yes there are chromosomal aberrations and it is those individuals with gender and reproductive issues that should be supported not those who don't seem to know up from down!

Now biology is a spectrum? Thoughts please
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DJBaggySmalls · 31/03/2017 21:57

BBCNewsRave Yes, absolutely this, and it is worth saying. It seems obvious to us, and it seems trivial; small things that we did when we were growing up.
But it is not trivial. If its such a political hot potato that its too risky for some people to discuss in public, then we have to say it, because we don't have a job to lose by saying it.
Our anecdotal evidence is just as valid as Rileys or anyone else's.

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