What do you think is wrong with this article?

[MercyMyJewels]

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I'm just at a loss with this shit now

[DeviTheGaelet]

datun I've been googling and actually I think she is cis. Fuck sake. This is all messing with my head.

[Datun]

Devi

Yeah, I googled her too and couldn't find her anywhere.

Usually if they are trans they want people to know it.

[Pigeonpost]

How can you tell it's a man? Both my MIL and SIL would easily pass for men. Is my trans-dar as bad as my gaydar?!

[DEMum101]

How did you know Jasmine Hill is a transwoman? I can't tell just from that photo (could easily be me being dim though).

[MercyMyJewels]

You tube video that Jasmine posted

[Bambambini]

I'm sure Kim McLeod is a woman. I was angry to see no prison term then sort of relieved for the women who would have had to deal with her in prison.

[PreemptiveSalvageEngineer]

I think anybody who says "I'm happy" that much, whilst sporting fresh self-harming marks is clearly deluded.

[VestalVirgin]

I couldn't have told that "Jasmine" is a man by that photo.

And the other case ... it messes with one's mind, does it not? I find myself doubting whether women are actually women all the time now.

It is not a comfortable situation. I suppose the next gynecologist I consult will be an exceptionally pretty woman with a soprano voice, you know, just to make sure.

[Datun]

I can see this fuelling the division of the sexes. People wondering why so many 'women' are now committing violent and sexual crime.

'Gaslighting' has never been a more appropriate term.

[AssassinatedBeauty]

Is there an increase in the number of male prisoners becoming trans? Another case just appeared on my news feed:

www.eastbourneherald.co.uk/news/crime/county-news-murderer-claims-rights-are-being-violated-after-home-made-sex-change-in-prison-1-7833324

Apparently cutting your own testicles off counts as a sex change.

[CruellaDeVilsEvilSister]

I can see this fuelling the division of the sexes. People wondering why so many 'women' are now committing violent and sexual crime.

Will it really make a difference though? I would have though that the number of trans people is so low it wouldn't make much difference to national statistics even if they all went on a violent rampage? You're already talking about a minority and of that group only a minority would be violent.

[Wondermoomin]

I agree with some PPs I wouldn't be able to identify if they were a man or a woman from the photos alone - but that video clip makes it clear immediately.

The implications of a society allowing people to self-identify and be protected from challenge are very worrying indeed.

[Datun]

CruellaDeVilsEvilSister

That might only be correct if it was actually transwomen. All though as transwomen commit a crime at the same rate as men, there is bound to be few extra in there. And it's not really so much about the actual crime, it will be the perception also that suddenly women are becoming more violent.

But in terms of the actual statistics, as the current legislation will allow for self identification, it has the potential include any/every predator in the country.

Anyone who thinks they can access women and girls, get a softer sentence, get sent to a female prison, etc, by claiming trans, will go ahead and do it.

[Prawnofthepatriarchy]

Cruella, there's a very informative article here. It shows the effect on crime statistics and the prison population of defining transwomen as women.

In the American prison system there are twice as many men whose most serious conviction is rape or murder than the entire female prison population.

Most people aren't fully aware just how many more men are convicted compared to the number of women. Men are responsible for 90% of violent crime and 98% of sex crime, so even a handful of rapists classified as women will skew the statistics dramatically.

[Datun]

Thanks prawn, very useful link.

Can you tell me how you put in links and then change the name to something that is not a long web address? It's so much easier to identify things if you are scrolling up a page.

[CruellaDeVilsEvilSister]

Thanks Prawn!

[CruellaDeVilsEvilSister]

Don't know what to make of the article to be honest.

It claims that 'There are already stories of men who have used self-castration and gender identity as a way to access and then sexually abuse women in the prison system.' However, the link it references this to is actually only one story and even then it is actually just a link to a public petition. I can't find anything else to back up the claim that even this man mutilated himself deliberately in order to get access to women and then abuse them. Do you find this credible?

The rest of the figures used look sensible and I take that point that a smaller number of offenders could skew the statistics in the context of the prison population because of the imbalance in that population. I have to admit that my earlier point was about statistics in the general population.

[TalkingintheDark]

I think the impact on the offender population is exactly the point here, Cruella.

If transwomen are counted as women for the purpose of crime stats, then it will hugely skew the picture.

[Pigeonpost]

Ok, I see it now from the video and obviously Jasmine saying they are transgender. I still find this whole transgender thing utterly baffling. So a convicted criminal is biologically a man but has to be reported as a woman as that is how they identify? Doesn't that alter the nature of the offence?And this is also why there are these stories in the media about men being pregnant and demanding appropriate terminology because they are biologically women but permitted to identify as men. It's batshit crazy. Where is it going to end? Will we end up in sort of dystopian nightmare where biological sex has no relevance, everything is gender neutral and anyone can flip between whatever they want for whatever purposes? It makes my brain bleed. And I wouldn't class myself as overly feminist but I appreciate (as a woman) that women have overcome so much in the last few decades to strive for equal rights and this seems so belittling to say that oh well the men can be women now anyway. It's like be careful what you wish for little girls, this is what true gender equality looks like. Urgh

[TalkingintheDark]

While transwomen are currently a tiny minority of the population, there have been three cases of trials for violent and/or sexual offences committed by transwomen (and reported as being committed by women) here in the UK just in the last few months that I can think of just off the top of my head. There must be many more.

Lauren Jeska, Kayleigh Woods, and now Jasmine Hill (attempted murder, murder, and this current sexual offence case).

Given that women so rarely commit this type of crime, in relation to men, it begs the question - what does living "as a woman" actually mean?

Tara Hudson was said to have been "living as a woman" when they were convicted of headbutting a barman so violently he needed £1000's worth of dental treatment.

There was a recent case of a transwomen who committed suicide in prison - they were there on remand, charged with a very violent murder where the victim was stabbed multiple times.

Of course women do commit violent and sexual offences too but not to anywhere near the extent that men do; if you were going to characterise it as a trait predominantly of one of the two sexes it would be inescapably that of the male sex.

So - in what real and meaningful sense are these offenders "living as women"?

[TalkingintheDark]

Pigeon welcome to the rabbit hole; it does indeed make your brain bleed!

Yy to finding it belittling of women. I absolutely agree.

Others have called it cultural appropriation of women's identities, which I also agree with.

As women we have been the less powerful sex for thousands of years now. And yet transwomen claim we have "cis privilege" and are the ones discriminating against them.

[Datun]

brain bleed

sums the entire fuckwittery up in my opinion.

[LassWiTheDelicateAir]

I couldn't have told that "Jasmine" is a man by that photo

Really? I thought it was obvious.

[LassWiTheDelicateAir]

And Kimberley Mcleod is obviously a woman.

[MercyMyJewels]

Pigeon

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