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Could women strike?

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GarlicNovember · 06/11/2014 13:46

It'd mean finding enough supportive men to take over child and other caring duties. Could it be done? Would it make the point that the world would grind to a halt if women didn't do all the supposedly invisible stuff they do?

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MuttonCadet · 06/11/2014 21:13

Believe me not being in work would be making the point.

How far do you expect individuals to make a sacrifice "for the greater good"?

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maddy68 · 06/11/2014 21:14

Ahhhhh I see what you mean...you mean it would show solidarity fir those not in the same position. I too was being a bit dim, I thought you meant if I went on strike, the impact I would have on my home and work.

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AnyFucker · 06/11/2014 21:22

Nobody is going on strike. It was a rhetorical question. Smile

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WidowWadman · 06/11/2014 21:27

Mutton - logging in remotely surely is being in work, thus doesn't make any point whatsoever in the context of a strike. Logging in remotely is as much a crossing of the picket line as physically going into the office.

The whole strike idea is beyond stupid, which is why I wouldn't suggest anyone should do it.

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MuttonCadet · 06/11/2014 21:29

If it's rhetorical what is the point?

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WidowWadman · 06/11/2014 21:29

Anyfucker what is the point of the thread, if not to explore the hypothetical question?

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GarlicNovember · 06/11/2014 21:30

Last time I was on strike, I answered my phone to tell my clients I was on strike.

There's already a ton of campaigning & protesting about the undervaluation of women's work. Everyone (the patriarchy) assumes women will just carry on doing the stuff anyway ... and it's true, really, because of the 'nurses' argument.

Nurses got a lot of support, though, especially with the way they worked out the rolling strike action.

Just seen your update, maddy, thanks!

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GarlicNovember · 06/11/2014 21:33

YY, I think it might be worth exploring hypothetically! Great oaks and all that.

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SevenZarkSeven · 06/11/2014 21:36

Well, for me, the point is, like I was imagining earlier today, what would happen if all the women in the world just fucked off somewhere for a while.

It's interesting.

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MuttonCadet · 06/11/2014 21:45

Okay, do you associate more with being a woman than being a "Smith" or a "lawyer", or a "blonde" or a "bristolian".

I don't have more affinity with my own sex than I do my profession or locality, but I would stick up for any if I felt they were being unfairly treated.

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BertieBotts · 06/11/2014 21:46

I think the problem is that it involves pissing off individual men.

With a train strike, or whatever, it's annoying to the passengers which means it's annoying to the bosses because they're not able to provide the service.

But individual train drivers don't have to go and deal with their individual boss or the person who has picked up the pieces and get their wrath from it. They are a collective mass, with the support of the others, and usually a union, too. The "bosses" are faceless, they don't deal with them day to day.

If women (housewives, is really what you mean) decided to go on strike and just announced it and their DHs suddenly had to find childcare or leave work for the day and cook their own lunch and run out of socks, then yes you'd get the odd DH who said "I'm so sorry honey, I had no idea you did so much!" but you'd probably get more who were just pissed off at the fact their partnership had dissolved, some who would deal with it with no question but also no change/understanding and of course, abusive husbands would just get... well, abusive.

Plus, you don't get the "wifework" from one or two days of childcare. I've heard lots of people say "He looked after the children for a weekend when I was away/for three days when I was in hospital/other reason and now when I am tired he says "Well I don't know what's so hard! I found it easy!"" - well duh, it's easy to play trains and cook fish fingers and wipe noses for three days. It's not so easy to do that for one hundred and fifty days in a row. It's easy to hold a baby for twenty minutes. It's not easy to hold a baby for ten hours, for six months in a row. It's easy to sort out childcare as a one off, to take the occasional day off work, to deal with broken sleep once in a while, to look after the kids on that weekend you don't have anything else to do, but it's the relentless nature of being with beings who are repetitive by nature, can't hold a conversation and don't have a concept of adult things like "not wasting stuff". Of trying to deal with them when you also need to buy a present for the birthday party next weekend and shop for your upcoming holiday and plan a presentation for work when you have a toddler who won't go to sleep without hours of input and arguing.

Leaving blokes to deal with stuff for a day or a week would be nothing. They'd think it was a fun project. Leave them for six months, then they would discover what it's really like. But of course who is going to leave their young children, their jobs, homes, etc, for six months. (And I surprise myself with a slight hint of panic that they would get it all magically sorted in those six months and we'd come back to be laughed at and told "Never mind, you're not needed any more! Grin)

Actually I am starting to warm to this idea. I'd love to take six months off Grin Can we arrange some kind of feminist retreat?

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mimithemindfull · 06/11/2014 21:57

Bertie Feminist retreatGrin count me in. Bliss!

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GarlicNovember · 06/11/2014 22:03

Heh, six months would probably be long enough to actually get the massive life restructure! Fuck knows how you'd create a retreat capable of accommodating all the women (with family visits, because we'd all be missing them.)

Work done predominantly by women includes childcare, cooking, cleaning, shopping, domestic organisation, nursing, teaching, welfare, admin, customer service, data input, retail sales, social work, librarianship, ... off the top of my head. We'd be missed; it's not all about housework although it's a very big point that most women do house work as well as other stuff.

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MuttonCadet · 06/11/2014 22:03

Oh right, definitely not talking to me then.

Will retreat gracefully.

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GarlicNovember · 06/11/2014 22:04

We should ask Xenia to set up the retreat on her island Grin

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GarlicNovember · 06/11/2014 22:05

Nooo, Mutton, stay! It doesn't have to be a six-month strike.

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SoMuchForSubtlety · 06/11/2014 22:06

Bertie I'm coming too! About 90% of my sleep for the last year has been in 2-3 hour blocks, I'm shattered! DH should share the experience Grin

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AnyFucker · 06/11/2014 22:07

Xenia's Island ! I wanna go there. The only problem is, she doesn't like women. Could be a problem...

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BertieBotts · 06/11/2014 22:08

Eh, there'll be enough of us that we can just revel drunkenly or sleep and ignore her disapproving glares.

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GarlicNovember · 06/11/2014 22:14

I don't have more affinity with my own sex than I do my profession or locality, but I would stick up for any if I felt they were being unfairly treated.

Just coming briefly back to this: true for me, in that - when I had a profession - I could guarantee I'd have commonalities with another person in the same business, while there was no such guarantee with another woman (unless she was in the same business.) Despite the fact I did very well, though, it was clear in numerous ways that women & men didn't get the same life deal and also that more women were living much harder lives than men.

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ArsenicSoup · 06/11/2014 22:15

She sold it. The island.

What would single mothers do? Or would there be no point in them joining in?

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IrenetheQuaint · 06/11/2014 22:15

Sounds like a great idea, Garlic!

My problem is though that I'm a militant spinster so the only effect of me going on strike would be that my flat would become even more grubby that it is already...

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SoMuchForSubtlety · 06/11/2014 22:17

Mutton I have a full time senior corporate job (and a non-sleeping 10 month old DD) and I do very little housework and very little childcare.

But I can see how (for example) the lack of male partners willing to subjugate their careers is contributing to holding back corporate women from realising their full potential, thus often making me The Only Woman In The Room.

Women's work being undervalued affects all of us I think.

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GarlicNovember · 06/11/2014 22:19

Haha, me too, Irene. And the cat would shit everywhere Hmm

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MuttonCadet · 06/11/2014 22:21

Agree, which is why I'm very active in the lean in community and mentoring women in industry.

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