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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Anyone around Brighton? Guess what? Hooters.

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ElectricSoftParade · 13/07/2011 08:05

www.hooters.co.uk/Brighton/index.php

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David34 · 13/07/2011 14:19

I just think that it is not the business of an MP to stop businesses opening and making money (and payng taxes) in their constituency.

If you don't like Hooters, open your own restaurant, run it how you think a business should be run, and let the public decide. Don't try and make the decision for them.

And I have no problem with Hooters not letting men become waiters. It's their business. Not mine. If customers decide they want male waiters, I am sure there is no shortage of restaurants in Brighton with male waiters.

noddyholder · 13/07/2011 14:21

You answered my question with another!

post · 13/07/2011 14:26

doesn't 'hooters' mean 'tits'? Isn't that a clue?

HandDivedScallopsrgreat · 13/07/2011 14:47

Well quite post

"If you don't like Hooters, open your own restaurant, run it how you think a business should be run, and let the public decide. Don't try and make the decision for them." That has to be the most ridiculous argument on feminism this week. Congratulations.

Wtf is opening your own restaurant going to do? I am not a restauranteur does that mean I have no right to object? Just because it is a business it doesn't mean it should exist. It is damaging to women. I am a woman. I object. Simple really.

David34 · 13/07/2011 15:00

It is a business run legally. People have the choice whether to eat there or not. There are plenty of resturants in every country in the world that employ attractive women as staff. What exactly is so wrong about Hooters other than that it is part of an American chain? How is it "damaging to women"?

Do you think that it is wrong for men to find women attractive?

Do you think it is wrong for business to employ attractive women?

Do you think it is wrong for businesses to advertise the fact that they employ attractive women?

Sorry but I think this argument is ridiculous and it demeans feminism for you to be seriously advocating having someone's business shut down just because you don't like it. There are plenty of areas of life where women are not treated fairly. This is not one of them.

David34 · 13/07/2011 15:02

Why do I post here? Because I feel it is my duty to provide a moderating voice to some of the absolute loony bin feminists that seem to want to be able to control the world and ban anything that upsets their fragile sensibilities.

noddyholder · 13/07/2011 15:02

brain of a pea.Welcome!

bullet234 · 13/07/2011 15:15

I am proud to be a feminist. Am I supposed to be insulted, or feel worried in case I come under the category of "absolute loony bin feminist"? Dear me David34, has no one ever taught you to argue properly?

ElectricSoftParade · 13/07/2011 15:25

I take that as quite a compliment David, I've never been caled an absolute loony bin feminist.

You have your opinions, I have mine. My opinion is that I do not want Hooters opening in Brighton or anywhere else.

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HandDivedScallopsrgreat · 13/07/2011 15:30

"loony bin feminist" - hahaha

Oh yes our arguments are ridiculous!

David34 · 13/07/2011 15:30

Your opinion is worth the same as anyone elses. If enough people want Hooters in Brighton to make it a profitable enterprise, it will open and stay open. If enough people do not want it, it will close down due to lack of custom.

How would you feel if activists tried to close down a restaurant or other business that you liked to go to?

David34 · 13/07/2011 15:33

Can someone explain to me exactly what it specifically is about Hooters you object to? What do they do that no other business does? That's what I'm not seeing. It looks to me like you are just picking on it because it is an American chain.

HandDivedScallopsrgreat · 13/07/2011 15:33

Yawn

HandDivedScallopsrgreat · 13/07/2011 15:34

We could David but that would involve engaging with you and I for one don't really want to do that because I am not interested in your point of view.

ItsNotUnusual · 13/07/2011 15:51

I just think that it is not the business of an MP to stop businesses opening and making money (and payng taxes) in their constituency.

Well quite - it's the local planning committee of the council made up of democratically elected members representing the views of their constituents. I assume the opening poster and others are looking for a campaign to make their views known in this way. Tis how our country operates.

Do you think that it is wrong for men to find women attractive?
Not at all. However it's an opinion that they should keep to themselves mostly unless invited to comment. How rude and potentially intimidating otherwise - do you agree?

Do you think it is wrong for business to employ attractive women?
Not at all. That's my point - if you read it further up! But do you think it is wrong for a business to NOT employ women that have failed some sort of attractiveness test?

Do you think it is wrong for businesses to advertise the fact that they employ attractive women?
What would motivate a business to advertise that they employ attractive women? What is that saying about what they think their USP is?!?

Would it help if I listed the American chains that I do eat at? Just to illustrate that the issue is not anti-Americanism? Bugger - now I want a Quarter Pounder with cheese meal.

I don't really think you can claim to be a moderating voice when within a page an a half you call some of us 'absolute loony bin feminists that seem to want to be able to control the world and ban anything that upsets their fragile sensibilities' If I controlled the world, you'd be made to wait until at least page 15, and the first thing I'd ban is baked beans.

ItsNotUnusual · 13/07/2011 15:54

Although - I am guilty as charged as a 'lonny bin feminist'. The office I work in has been converted from a mental institution. The grounds are nice but the office is a bit chilly even in the summer.

David34 · 13/07/2011 16:26

Well quite - it's the local planning committee of the council made up of democratically elected members representing the views of their constituents. I assume the opening poster and others are looking for a campaign to make their views known in this way. Tis how our country operates.
The next time there is an election, vote them out. Stand for yourself if you think you have the right ideas about how the constituency should be run.

Not at all. However it's an opinion that they should keep to themselves mostly unless invited to comment. How rude and potentially intimidating otherwise - do you agree?
So it is rude for a man to tell a woman she is attractive, unless she asks him his opinion? Really?

Not at all. That's my point - if you read it further up! But do you think it is wrong for a business to NOT employ women that have failed some sort of attractiveness test?
I think it is the right of a business to employ whoever it wants on whatever grounds it sees fit to employ people under. If they employ the wrong people, the only people that will suffer are the business owners.

What would motivate a business to advertise that they employ attractive women? What is that saying about what they think their USP is?!?
I would say their motivation is that they believe there is a demand for a restaurant where customers are served by attractive female staff.

ItsNotUnusual · 13/07/2011 16:54

Not allowed to stand myself - politically restricted post. However, I and other posters have the right to make our views known to our political representatives, whether we voted for them or not.

As someone that has attracted an awful lot of unasked-for comments on my appearance; yes, it is rude and somewhat bewildering. What makes you (generic, not personal) the judge on what constitutes attractiveness? And why would I want to know what your judgement is? I wasn't inviting judgement just by being me! Isn't it polite to not make personal comments about people unless invited?

I thought businesses had to compy with legislation on a number of grounds regarding employment - not just on whatever grounds it sees fit. Disability, race, sexual orientation? Not an expert on this but that's my understanding! Surely a restaurant would want to employ a waitress on ability and experience at serving food? If you employ anyone primarily on their appearance then maybe serving food isn't actually their prime purpose in the business.

Just because there is a demand for something does not automatically mean there has to be a supply.

GollyHolightly · 13/07/2011 17:02

I think it is the right of a business to employ whoever it wants on whatever grounds it sees fit to employ people under. If they employ the wrong people, the only people that will suffer are the business owners.

How about if this were applied to non-white people, or the disabled?

Crap argument there.

David34 · 13/07/2011 17:13

I'm in favour of businesses being able to employ whoever they want. I don't think it's any business of anyone else. Legislating doesn't do anything about the underlying reasons why people discriminate, and obviously doesn't change anyone's opinion about anything, it just fuels resentment.

Let businesses hire who they want, that way if they fail they know they only have themselves to blame. Lessons learnt that way will mean much more than learnt through fear of government imposed fines etc.

As someone that has attracted an awful lot of unasked-for comments on my appearance; yes, it is rude and somewhat bewildering. What makes you (generic, not personal) the judge on what constitutes attractiveness? And why would I want to know what your judgement is? I wasn't inviting judgement just by being me! Isn't it polite to not make personal comments about people unless invited?
How many couples have got together because one of them have complimented the other on their appearance, uninvited? Sorry, but I think the world you live in is a very cold and unfriendly one.

berkshirefem · 13/07/2011 18:03

noddyholder that is exactly what I thought. I'm very fond of brighton for it's diversity and acceptance and inclusion. I am devastated that there is a market for this there.

I wish they made it more public when they were planning to open new premises so we could campaign ahead more effectively. I don't want to be negative but I beleive the horse has already bolted here.

berkshirefem · 13/07/2011 18:04

Oh and David, do one would you.

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Jazzicatz · 13/07/2011 18:10

I am part of the Brighton Feminist Group, I will pass this onto them and hopefully we can do something about it. Many thanks for the link!

David34 · 13/07/2011 19:35

noddyholder that is exactly what I thought. I'm very fond of brighton for it's diversity and acceptance and inclusion. I am devastated that there is a market for this there.
But do you accept that there IS a market for Hooters there, and that they have as much right to open a business as the businesses you like?

You have a very narrow minded view of diversity, acceptance and inclusion btw. If I didn't know better, I would say you were trying to portray a negative stereotype.

stretch · 13/07/2011 21:35

You know what I hate most about the Feminism board?

It's when we (collective) get told to "open our eyes a bit" "don't be so narrow minded" Grr It's just a way of shutting people (feminists) up!

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