Patronising or what?

[Thistledew]

I can't quite work out why this annoys me so much. Thoughts?

There is the rather obvious use of past tense for starters ...

[claig]

The poor, women and children will get the brunt of it. Also it won't be voluntary, they are not mucking about. Herbex is right, we are an extremely rich society, there is lots of money in the bankers' hands. We, the people, transferred lots of it to the bankers as part of the bailout. They tell us that we don't have enough resources, that, we the people, are using them all up. They want all the resources for themselves. We are not worthy, we don't count. What will happen to teh sick and elderly in their futuristic, clean, green future?

[claig]

Real movements that aim for justice and change get no funding. The London Feminist Network have had to cancel next year's meeting due to lack of funds, and the numbers who march for change are small. Why? Because they get no funding, they are not promoted, they don't have the resources. But these cult like groups have endless funding and tens of thousands of followers. Why? because they are funded by very rich people behind the scenes who want to promote their message and fool people into following them against their own interests.

[HerBeX]

Yes this idea that scarcity causes all the world's problems - we actually live in an incredibly rich society and we're still horrible to each other.

It is all about eugenics isn't it? That whole thing of "we haven't got resources because there are too many of us" And you can see who would get the brunt of thier nasty population control shit - women and children.

[sethstarkaddersmackerel]

lmao @ FAQ 21!

[claig]

BertieBotts, you are exactly right. Your mum has been taken in by their messages, just as millions of others have. That is why they push their seductive message about climate and caring for nature and its resources. They know it will appeal to the good nature of millions of people. But they are the ones in charge, none of it will apply to them, they don't believe a word, but they hope that everyone else will.

[HerBeX]

blimey the Venus project looks like something dreamed up by a James Bond villain doesn't it? "We feel certain, however, that the only aspects of The Venus Project that may appear threatening are those which others project onto it."

In their main blurb about who they are, considering that they trumpet themselves as a world changing idea, the lack of the word "justice" is quite significant, I feel.

And I had to larf at one of these frequently asked questions:

21.I noticed a certain nearness between your thinking and the French architect Le Doux about the concept of ideal city: do you believe that the eighteenth century idea of ideal city could apply also to a future city?

Really? Is that a frequently asked question? Really frequent then? Are internet browsers always suddenly having a thought of LeDoux set off by random websites they come across?

And here's an answer to another FAQ:
"Will all people then be alike? Yes in certain areas. They will all work to protect the environment and extend maximum courtesy to one another regardless of race, color or creed" No mention of sex. Another dog that didn't bark.

"It is not the business of The Venus Project to attack the belief systems of other cultures, or to attack the way they treat women, or their values regarding other nations." Oh right, no of course we mustn't condemn FGM or ignore how other cultures treat half their population anymore than engaging with our own culture's treatment of half of our population...

Hmmmm. Let's hope this fashion doesn't get the funding...

[BertieBotts]

Oh god my mum was going on about the resource based economy yesterday as well

Yes all very well selling this wonderful idea of everyone sharing everything but um

"If a group of people with gold, diamonds and money were stranded on an island that had no resources such as food, clean air and water, their wealth would be irrelevant to their survival."

No, evidently, but the one who corralled all the food away would be in a position of power.

Also "Only when population exceeds the carrying capacity of the land do many problems such as greed, crime and violence emerge. By overcoming scarcity, most of the crimes and even the prisons of today's society would no longer be necessary."

WTF?? Have they never opened a history book?

Also apparently this is happening in december 20-twelve (my one key doesn't work). That gives you about 32 months to sort out your zombie plans then before your head is in a duffel bag...

[ilythia]

I feel like I need a shower after watching that,

[claig]

They are part of the 'Brave New World', funded by the rich and powerful.

[claig]

Their real aims are population control and it will eventually be enforced by these technocratic leaders in their shiny, futuristic, green, clean buildings.
These rich men pretend they care, they pretend they want to 'save the planet'. But by 'saving the planet' they mean removing millions of people.

Their vision may very well lead to heads in duffel bags. But they will say it was all necessary, it was part of 'rebalancing'. It is part of a 'radical redesign'.

[sethstarkaddersmackerel]

what are their real aims Claig?

[claig]

Yes it is cult, which is why what StayFrosty's DH said about heads in duffel bags is not so far-fetched. These movements are political. Behind these movements are rich men who fund them and try to fool people into following them and believing their simplistic, salvationist philosophies about 'new ways of being' and 'total redesigns of our society'. These rich, clever men use all the tricks, push all the buttons and mention climate, nature, the earth and respect for the feminine at every opportunity. They are tricksters and they are a cult and their real aims are not the happy, clappy future that they sell people.

[claig]

Here is another 'star trek' political movement. This one is far, far more successful and tens of thousands of clever people have actually fallen for it. It is the 'star trek' like 'Venus project', part of the futuristic Zeitgeist movement. It's a similar message, about rebalancing, the environment, nature and climate change.

It is also run by men who want 'a new social design', 'a redesign of our culture'. These men have lots of money and produce lots of materials to sell their 'vision'. It is political and it is a trick. They are trying to shape minds. They are all part of a greater whole. They work to a common goal. They are not spending all their money for a laugh. If they ever succeed in convincing people of their 'new way of being', of 'their respect for the feminine', we will all find out that it will not be a laughing matter.

www.thevenusproject.com/

[Missingfriendsandsad]

:) its like star trek... I would like to move towards new energies of procreation: transl: We will kidnap you and make your female crew members pregnant.

Don't you call me multi-dimensional!

[claig]

'Claig, do you have to link everything you don't like to the Guardian and climate change?'

Only if there is a connection.

They 'mistakenly believed that expansion would protect them from encroachment and in the process they violated the sanctity of the earth and its natural rhythms'.

They are 'conscious' men who want to create a 'global economics' and to create a 'new way of being'. There are lots of political movements like that around. I think they are part of that trend, and have spent money and time trying to push their 'conscious' message of a 'new way of being'.

[nooka]

Eugh. Some of that stuff is really creepy woo-ness. Love the 'it was all our unconscious' get out clause (I've just been reading that evolution thread, and the two seem ever so related - it's not my fault I was so cruel, it was just my genes/psyche/ unconscious' boo hoo poor me). In the 'grip of lust' is apparently a great excuse for rape too. No ownership there really is there? As for all that women have all that intuition/feeling crap - plus the implication that without many logic humans would all be in some animalistic state (the superstition bit was particularly ironic, given that the male church held up so much scientific advance).

In fact generally it's all a bit of the wtf really isn't it? Really really weird ideas of what it is to be a 'man' or a woman (although I'm not sure that word is used much is it, it's all 'feminine' wonderfulness instead of anything approaching talking about real women isn't it)

Lol about that "ex-partners" bit at the end. It's the "I'm sorry but..." line all over.