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Really struggling to get protein, help please?

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user1465023742 · 04/06/2016 08:08

Really desperate for some help about my food. I'm having a problem getting enough protein. Protein is the only thing that fills me up properly but I have a very limited budget as I'm on disability benefits and I just can't afford to eat meat or fish every day. I can't eat cheese because I have migraines. Quorn is out because I'm allergic to mushrooms, I can't have eggs because I'm allergic to the white so things like omlettes and scrambled eggs are out. That leaves lentils, which I do like, but the only way I know how to make them is in things like bolognese which i can't have because I'm allergic to tomatoes.

I'm really really struggling and surviving on carbs, which are just making me fatter and fatter and I'm constantly hungry because carbs leave me starving after 2 hours. What can I do?

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BluebellTheDonkey · 11/06/2016 12:36

And the prize goes to time who has managed to receive a 'thank you' and an 'awesome' from OP. All other posters lose, despite their wonderful, patient, detailed advice.
OP I think you need to learn a lesson in basic internet forum manners. A 'thank you, that's not quite what I was looking for but I appreciate you posting' goes an awfully long way.

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PrimalLass · 11/06/2016 14:47

Didn't the founder of Atkins who espoused just the lifestyle you're recommending have raging heart disease as a result? Yes, yes he did. Wake up.

Nope. Complete myth. Wake up.

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CakeNinja · 11/06/2016 15:28

Bloody hell Shock at this thread Shock

Op, have you ever actually passed out through hunger? You say you get 'ravenous' after eating pretty much everything to the point of near collapse. Has it ever actually happened? If so, what happened after that?

Also, if you're overweight, hunger (even a bit of ravenous-ness) isn't unusual. I've been depriving myself this week in a quick fix to reset my body after holiday and I have felt very hungry. As of Monday I will be back to my lchf diet which works, but this week I wanted to stun my body into a routine again after 2 weeks of overindulging so I have really limited what I've eaten more so than when I do lchf. I'm never hungry when I do it properly.

Before you attack me, I have read the thread but have started missing out your aggressive posts because you are really sounding quite nasty, people are offering their time to help you. What you are currently doing IS NOT WORKING. Something has to change for you to lose weight.

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KindDogsTail · 11/06/2016 20:53

User
I wondered if you had seen The New Scientist out now?
It features an article about low carbohydrate high fat diets. I thought you might be interested to read it if you haven't yet. It gives a balanced review of high fat low carb vs high carb low fat.

Really struggling to get protein, help please?
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lougle · 11/06/2016 22:07

Is that a no to the post-prandial dip theory and the Kedgeree? Sad

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KindDogsTail · 11/06/2016 22:54

User I saw this book the other day in a book shop. It is based on high protein and has lots of tips about hunger.

Have you seen a doctor about your constant hunger? Could it be diabetes?
Thyroid? Very high anxiety causing raised cortisol levels? Too little sleep?
Shift work? Vitamin deficiency? ADs? Contraceptive hormones?

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WindPowerRanger · 11/06/2016 23:12

You absolutely don't need to do high fat. No one is helped by a diet high in saturated fat anyway. And low fat doesn't mean eating odd processed food with sugar in it to replace the fat. It should mean regulated amounts of the right kind of fat.

However, fat does have its place in the diet. The salmon you eat OP (and any other oily fish you can get) is one source of good fats, olive oil, rapeseed oil and coconut oil are others. Using the latter in particular will help. A little goes a long way, but it really does help you to feel fuller, and for longer. I really suggest you try cooking with some, expensive though it is, for this reason.

Otherwise, drinking a lot (2 litres a day is always suggested) and sleeping a good 7-8 hours, will also help with weight loss.

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WindPowerRanger · 11/06/2016 23:15

Oh, and I keep posting articles by this shiny happy David Katz bloke, because I find his articles easy to follow and pretty balanced. The one I've pasted below is about saturated fat:

Preventive Medicine Column
March 11, 2016
Truth about Saturated Fat
We have known for a long time- many years- that all saturated fat is not created equal with regard to health effects. The details of a discussion encompassing, for instance, just stearic acid, lauric acid, palmitic acid, and myristic acid- to say nothing of caprylic, caproic, butyric, enanthic, and so on- could take many interesting pages. Suffice to say: some saturated fatty acids are quite convincingly established to be harmful, and others are not.
Here, “convincingly established” refers not to one favored study, not the latest spate of hyperbolic headlines, and not someone’s effort to sell the newest book of dietary revelation- but the weight of evidence. We know what we know most reliably when mechanistic studies in cell culture and animal models align with biomarker studies in people, and when those in turn align with outcome studies and intervention trials in people, and when those in turn align with observational epidemiology at the level of whole populations. Our knowledge of saturated fat is informed by just such evidence, spanning species, decades, methods, and populations.
Regarding mechanisms of effect, there is one especially salient refrain among those championing saturated fat for health: it tends to raise HDL levels. Yes, that is true. But does that actually validate the agenda of the “eat more meat, butter, and cheese” crowd? No, for two reasons.
First, the obvious one. You can have low HDL but feel fine and never get heart disease; or have enviably high HDL, but have a massive MI. Which would you prefer?
The point is that none of us really cares about our blood levels of HDL, or any other moiety for that matter, other than as proxies for health outcomes that actually affect our lives. High HDL is desirable only if and when it signifies a lower risk of cardiovascular disease. That’s what actually matters.
But doesn’t a higher HDL reliably guarantee lower heart disease risk? Absolutely not, and for a reason that is all but intuitive with a simple analogy.
Consider, for instance, an argument that good urine output is an indicator of healthy kidneys, vitally important for control of blood volume and consequently, blood pressure (an established fact). Now, consider that a high intake of, let’s say, pickles, increases urination. The obvious argument by the International Confederation of Pickle Pushers is: See! Good urine output is good for blood pressure, and pickles increase urine output- so pickles are good for blood pressure!
But don’t sign up for the pickle-juice diet just yet. You see what’s going on, right? The rather massive sodium load from pickles is actually prone to raise blood pressure, and blood volume, and the urine output is simply the body attempting to keep up, and compensate.
I don’t know for sure if that applies to the effects of saturated fat on HDL, but I find no clear indications in the scientific literature that it does not. In other words, maybe a rise in HDL from saturated fat intake is a genuinely good thing, but we can’t reliably reach that conclusion. Maybe HDL goes up because confronted with more saturated fat, the body NEEDS more HDL. Maybe “saturated fat raises HDL” actually translates to: saturated fat stresses the body, and the body does what it can to compensate.
Mechanistic studies suggest less inflammation and atherogenesis when saturated fat intake is reduced, and replaced by unsaturated fats. Intervention studies show similar benefits when a baseline diet with many liabilities, a high load of saturated fat among them, is replaced with either a Mediterranean diet high in unsaturated fats, or a diet low in total fats. Dramatic declines in cardiovascular disease at the population level over a span of decades have been observed in North Karelia, Finland, where a reduction in saturated fat intake was among the priority interventions.
Also in the real world, the longest-lived, most vital populations on the planet vary widely in their intake of total fat, but none has a high intake of saturated fat. The idea that a diet high in saturated fat “could” be as good is a leap of faith. The call to “jump” is more often than not issued by those with something to sell you.
The truth about saturated fat is not unsettled. What is unsettled is: can we handle the truth?
Saturated fat need not be exonerated, let alone canonized, to make the case that excess sugar is bad for us, too. Our appetite for sound bites and hyperbolic promises, and our antipathy for the more measured character of reliable truth, does nothing to advance our health. It simply encourages us to keep exploring new ways of eating badly. Until we decide to change it, that, sadly, is the truth.
-fin Dr. David L. Katz;www.davidkatzmd.com; author, Disease Proof; founder, True Health Initiative

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Polkadot1974 · 11/06/2016 23:26

I probably missed a couple pages but Try eating more veg and fruit with a meal. Overnight oats are very filling when taken with fruit but you mentioned just the yoghurt and oats earlier. I habe done slimming world and the ethos of eating a big portion of super free food such as fruits and veg makes a huge difference between being full and not

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FurryDogMother · 12/06/2016 00:02

Look. If you guys want to stuff yourself with fat, that's completely up to you

Thanks, I'll continue to enjoy my 5 stone weight loss (am currently scoffing leftover curry, made with ghee), whilst you continue to moan about how hard it is for you to lose weight, because you obviously have your own agenda firmly in place, can't be arsed to learn to cook, and want everything handed to you on a plate (pun not intended, but very much enjoyed).

I listed shedloads of cheap sources of protein earlier in this thread, and you didn't even acknowledge the trouble I'd gone to for you. Not a word of thanks,. You're ill-mannered and ignorant. I sincerely hope you learn to shelve the attitude and accept helpful advice, but I'm not holding my breath. Go eat a pilchard, FFS.

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wizzywig · 12/06/2016 00:15

Sorry to butt in, but where is this bootcamp thread?

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hollinhurst84 · 12/06/2016 00:37

Wizzy - click big/slim weight loss then low carb bootcamp

I get the faint/sick feeling with carbs because I have hypoglycaemia, and upping protein and dropping carbs works for me. However yes eating fat works well too. Not in huge quantities but I eat full fat yoghurt/butter/avocado etc and a salad with avocado and olive oil fills me up
Am I hungry? Yes, because I have to cut my calories to 1200 to lose and my BMR is 1700 (go figure) so yeah, it's uncomfortable sometimes. But I drink a pint or two or water and carry on
For me there's a difference between low sugar "I'm going to pass out" type and "I'm bloody hungry but tough shit"
If that makes any sense. Pass out is usually eaten carbs for breakfast and no protein, hungry is I've eaten well but my stomach is growling and I want food

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Ilovenannyplum · 12/06/2016 11:59

Iceland have bags of frozen meat & fish and they're quite reasonably priced, I bought some frozen chicken thighs from there and they were huge and really nice and I think £2 for a big bag

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Ilovenannyplum · 12/06/2016 12:02

Ah. I've just read the last few posts.

Clearly you've been given a lot of suggestions/advice already and been a bit rude about it.

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Smellyrose · 13/06/2016 07:20

Everyone's been hugely helpful on this thread - thanks for all the links and recipes. I'm sure lots of people reading (myself included) will find all the info useful, even if the OP doesn't.

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